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That is the most hostile tracking shit I’ve ever seen. There’s no way this is legal in the EU.
It’s not because in EU it has to be opt-in.
This is a good call and it’s refreshing to see a police chief trying to enforce something sensible.
At the same time, I don’t have high hopes of US police being able to correctly identify and react to “unlawful force.” They sure don’t stop themselves or their colleagues when they use it against a minority, but they’re expected to intervene when ICE does it?
This is the correct reaction to a criminal administration violating laws and court orders with impunity, however this is not the reaction we see from most police departments. Police are supposed to work for the community, upholding the communities rules, not for whoever wields the biggest stick, or whoever they agree with politically.
A sergeant from O’Hara’s department later clarified that while Minneapolis Police Department officers may physically intervene in the case of unlawful force, they would stop short of arresting ICE agents.
That needs to happen next. Assault is assault.
Yeah, but these are cops we’re talking about—they’re conditioned to escalate at the first sign of noncompliance.
Can you really picture a cop physically intervening, being pushed aside, and saying “ok, never mind”?
Can you really picture a cop physically intervening, being pushed aside, and saying “sorry, my bad”?
I mean, if the other guys scare them…
Holy shit the hopium you that keeps people going… 🤦🏽
Cops are not going to get physical and escalate with ICE, stop it!
Probably not. But I can imagine an ice agent getting physical with a cop.
Generalizations get tiring after high school.
generalisations shouldn’t be applied to individuals but often hold true for groups… a non-trivial number of US police officers escalate situations if they aren’t given “respect” and compliance. that is a fact… when applied to a decent period of time, over a city full of US police officers, escalation is all but inevitable: not for any individual, but the group
Availability heuristic. You don’t hear about the thousands more peaceful altercations. The only ones you hear about are the violent ones which, surprise surprise, are more likely to get shown in the media
that’s not relevant though… in a situation where you only need 1, you only need 1
and the statement had nothing to do with individual officers, so you can’t apply it to individual officers: the group that is US police officers frequently escalate situations… individual interactions are irrelevant to that statement
Well yeah but there are wayyy too many violent interactions
Also during every violent interaction how many “good cops” just stood there and watched?
40% of cops admit to abusing their partners lmao
It’s basically safe to assume if someone wants to be or is a cop they’re really just an actual psychotic criminal underneath
Gonna have to provide some statistics buddy. This is just polemics from you
Fuck the fucking pigs. Guilty until proven innocent at this point. I give game wardens and postal inspectors a pass, I guess.
I hope most of them die in a fire and it hurts the whole time.
I had a dear friend who was gang raped by sheriff’s deputies. I reckon that’s just an anecdote.
Oh shit, not all cops are ba–
A sergeant from O’Hara’s department later clarified that while Minneapolis Police Department officers may physically intervene in the case of unlawful force, they would stop short of arresting ICE agents.
…oh. It’s just for show isn’t it? Nevermind.
If they literally stop them from abducting and deporting people it’s not all for show. Why can’t people on this site ever say hey, that’s a good step? You’re so all or nothing, it’s tiring.
Hey Minne PD, Lemmy says “Not good enough!”, so fuck it.
This is only a symbolic gesture until we see actual literal results. Those results are already questionable because we know they won’t be arresting these criminals.
I’m not sure what you see this officer having done other than talk about encouraging his officers to do part of their job or risk losing it.
This isn’t actually doing anything. This is barely an announcement of public intent to in the future do something. Every time the police don’t do something will be evidence that this was full of shit. If an officer does something as a result of this order it can’t even be praised because of what it’s taken to force them to do it.
They aren’t actually going to do it though. This is all marketing and public relations nonsense. This is purely performative. If I’m wrong I will be so happy to be wrong.
Because they’re still literally not doing their jobs.
As an example, let’s say I flip burgers for a living. You come in to my restaurant and order a cheeseburger. I then proceed to slap a hunk of raw ground beef and a slice of cheese down right on the counter in front of you. That’ll be $8.50, pay up.
You aren’t going to say “that’s progress!” you’re going to say “that’s not a fucking cheeseburger”.
Same here. Yeah, it is progress forward from the literal nothing that they were doing before. It still is not satisfactory progress that satisfies the basic job requirements of their chosen career.
you can’t apply group behaviour to single events… it takes time to change human behaviour in a group - especially when it’s politicised behaviour … if every restaurant were serving raw patties and raw was incorrectly politicised as “healthier” and then 50% started being cooked you’d say that’s progress… it’d remain horrible, but it is indeed progress and clearly those doing better should be congratulated for somehow managing to get their shit together even a little bit
Hahaha fuck it must be tiring.
Trump and his MAGA machine definitely want to see local law enforcement (particularly “blue city” cops like Minneapolis) fire the first shots at National Guard, it lets them enter a new form of oppression. Arresting National Guard would be received as an act of war, and everyone involved here understands that.
ICE are not the national guard.
But it literally is progress if every restaurant you go to and order a cheeseburger says “Fuck you, I’ll take my $8.50 and you have to leave”. There’s a weird presumption here that you could go somewhere else and get the whole burger just how you like it and you absolutely can’t.
A better analogy is that you go to a chain restaurant and the regional manager comes in to spit on your food and undercook your patty but the franchise workers say “we might let you under cook it because you’re sort of the boss, but that’s as much lenience as you get”.
Not perfect, but still city or state action against the Fed is progress considering the group of people who are officers at any level are probably closer to homegenous than the regular population.
I can cook my own burger and that’s the direction “justice” is going if shit stays on this trajectory.
You sure can. There are two things I can’t say about that though:
- That I don’t support it
- That you won’t get an extreme punishment.
Because everything is absolute. Purity tests are exactly that. It’s not pure. Therefore we rail against it.
Democrats? Ho ho! SO not pure. The Constitution? I laugh! Created by slave owners! Don’t even get me started on our MAGA parents. The time of purification is at hand!
But we’re not allowed to say that unless we face the horrifying charge of being boot lickers. And the fact that it’s literally russia’s playbook for destabilizing the country and installing a demented rapist puppet is insane conjecture. Nothing to see here. Squirrel!
im sure they’re reading this. pumping their fists at your defense of their inadequacy.
why dont you go get a staph infection and take only half your antibiotic course. surely something is better than nothing at all, right? tell me how that works out for you.
Half a course would be better than nothing. A full course would be best, but half is a LOT better than none.
The general way to make lasting changes stick is to support moves in the correct direction. Improvements are generally 1000 tiny steps, rather than 1 big leap.
congratulations on your antibiotic resistant MRSA. make sure to spread it around so everyone else gets to enjoy the benefits of your inadequate treatment.
.ml
yeah those fucking .ml losers. suggesting that there are circumstances where half-measures are worse than nothing at all.
Half a course is NOT better than nothing - it basically kills off only the weaker bacteria, leaving behind only those that have started mutating a resistance to the antibiotic.
An effective course of antibiotics leaves no possibility for survivors.
Here’s a good demo of what happens when you give them a graduated path to climb (such as by taking half a course of antibiotics): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plVk4NVIUh8
Edit - that this getting downvoted is a bit concerning. Don’t fuck around with antibiotics, y’all. Take it exactly as prescribed. If you feel better half way through, don’t just stop: keep taking them as ordered by your doc until the prescription is completed. If you kill off all but the strongest and then stop, those strongest then recolonize and now you’re infected with an antibiotic resistant strain. You’re literally breeding a new superbug.
Progress, sure. Cowardice, yep.
So…when the police FIND someone breaking the law they decide which party they want to help.
- Tax paying citizen that live here.
OR
- Masked gunman without papers.
so … nothing but a reminder that all cops are indeed bastards and pussies.
If ICE members know there will be no arrest and therefore no punishment, how will officers “stop” them?
By killing them in the street.
The pre-roll ad took a little bit away from it, but now I’m listening to a dope song that I haven’t heard in a long time. Thanks homie.
That’s the neat the part, they won’t!
defund both ice AND the police, and redirect those funds to stuff like public broadcasting and such. seriously!
How about self-defense and militia programs instead? :-(
those would be good
the police is just political ICE 😛
Have you been under a rock for the last year?
We need to gut the police academy systems and reformed them without the intention ingraining fear into the trainees.
[We also need to change the constitution that the police DO have the responsibility to protect the citizens and punish inaction as criminal when it occurs.
Edit: also, no cap on how intelligent a cop can be and no allowing retests on psych evaluations.
We need to fund more under-rock public housing. Do you know about the growing population of the un-rocked?
like let’s rock this country
We don’t even enough rocks to start a riot and this is what you’re worried about?!
what?
I said, have you been under a rock for the last year?
if i have been under a rock for the last year, please tell me
have you? actually, it would be better if you were under a rock
No. I’ve actually been watching the POTUS tear apart the US democracy piece by piece while idiots whimper on social media about dreamy ideas divorced from reality.
i mean, police must be defunded. won’t happen with the maga in power, and won’t happen with democrats in power, but we can’t ignore that their budgets are overblown and funding public services will help society much more than giving police tanks.
They will just go work for ICE 🤔
Going to have to explain themselves to a tribunal when Donald kicks the bucket.
Just like how Obama punished all the war criminals when he got into office, right?
The people aren’t going to wait for the next president to look forward, not backward.
And what are the people going to do about it? Vote harder? Protest?
We did all that in 2008, and Obama still let the war criminals go free.
So if you honestly believe this situation will be different, please explain how it is different.
Mubarak was dictator of Egypt for decades. When the cost of bread became unaffordable, he was out within weeks.
Change is impossible until it’s inevitable.
Oh so you’re saying we need violent coup of the American government in order to make progress? That makes sense.
It seemed like you were suggesting we could get ICE Nuremberg trials through the electoral process. That is a fantasy.
double negative much?
Do you really believe that would happen?
Yes.
I wish I had your faith.
This stuff has been going on for almost a year with this kind of limp wristed wet lettuce response.
Half of America thinks things are going great.
Even with a change of government I cant imagine there will be a great repeal of all th bad things.
We narrowly avoided a revolution in 2008. Donald was the popular protest vote against the status quo that made the banks whole.
When even the populist demagogue fails to change the status quo and people can’t afford groceries, things change.
Loads of people have been unable to afford groceries for a long time.
To topple a regime you need the oligarchs to really start to hurt, so they withdraw their support.
I can’t really see that happening in the foreseeable TBH.
Respectfully disagree. A majority of people in the US aren’t going hungry. Yet.
MAGA boys MAGA boys, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when Brian O’Hara comes for you?
