Heh, you know it’s bad when the OEMs are throwing shade.
It was possible to skip Vista and go straight from XP to 7. You could even use the same PC.
It was possible to skip 8 and go straight from 7 to 10. You could even use the same PC.
This time around, Microsoft is forcing Windows 11 as the only option, forcing people to throw away their machines, and it is backfiring on them. People are rejecting it and the competition (Linux) has never been as good as it is today.
The executive also noted that 500 million PCs don’t meet Windows 11’s system requirements
So much unnecessary e-waste. I never want to hear about how ‘green’ or ‘sustainable’ Microsoft is again.
Apparently some are even opting to reinstall Windows 7 rather than the trash fire that is 11. It seems like 10 was never loved, merely tolerated, and as MS continues to enshittify 10 in an attempt to force people onto 11 some are just going back to the previous good version of Windows.
Those people are stupid. Run a version of windows that won’t make you part of a botnet and make you my problem or don’t run it at all.
If they are taking the time to install windows 7. I’m sure they are at least smart enough to not run random stuff on thier windows machine.
I don’t care what they’re running. Don’t connect an unsupported OS to the Internet or you’re eventually going to become my problem.
Sounds like the systems you are using should focus on that problem and not how to integrate ads and AI into everything. While trying to extract every molecule of value for shareholders.
That’s not how it works, especially since everyone doing this is behind a modern router.
Nothing will happen if you have a Windows 98 computer connected to the internet when the home internet router is on default settings. And modern internet browsers implement security in themselves on systems they still support.
Firefox still supports Windows 7 via the ESR channel, and every new install gets redirected to on automatically on Windows 7, 8 and 8.1.
Worry the unsupported systems behind pure internet or providing public internet services, or the users installing the free PDF editor Google advertised as first in search. Those are many more than older Windows enthusiasts.
especially since everyone doing this is behind a modern router.
Are they? If they’re irresponsible enough to run an ancient OS it wouldn’t shock me if they’re also running “retro” network equipment
They are not, come on now.
Retro networking is a different community, and all is still done behind a modern router. They are a subset of the retro computing community, but they don’t run such systems as their daily driver.
Most of the legacy OS enthusiasts running on as their daily driver are not interested in matching their networking to be period correct, they just want it to work well and quickly like everybody else. For that you need basic modern equipment, that is often included into ISP plans.
Windows 10 was when the stupid accounts became a thing on Windows and candy crush being installed after a fresh install so makes sense people never really loved 10. And they managed to make 11 even worse than it was at launch with the copilot crap.
Anyone who asks me about this is getting the “At least try Linux for free first before buying a new computer.
Another example I have is that my mother-in-law is retired. You think she needs a new computer? Nope! She’s getting Linux before a new computer. The only other option for her would be an iPad since she’s just browsing the web anyway.
The only other option for her would be an iPad since she’s just browsing the web anyway.
Give her a Steam Deck and some cozy games. 😁
You could install windows 10 on something designed for windows XP, provided it has enough RAM
The reason w11 needs a new PC is pure marketing, it doesn’t actually need some specific feature that is present on 8th gen Intel CPUs but not on 7th gen Intel CPUs
They need you to have tpm 2.0 in order to push passkeys which are stored on tpm 2.0
They need it to run ai and bloat whithout it grinding to a halt.
Because Windows 11 shouldn’t have been made in the first place, I can’t find one reason why they couldn’t just kept updating 10.
One good reason: so all of the fucking half ass obnoxious shit that have put into 11 didn’t taint 10.
10 was obnoxious enough. 11 dialed it up to 11.
Beside greed, forcing people to use fully integrated AI. Cuz they know damn well that 90% of us will disable that shit like we did One Drive.
Funny thing is I still don’t know why they needed a new version of Windows for that, I mean 10 was already bloat they could have just shoved AI into it, as in the TPM 2.0 they could have just made a new 25H(whatever the fuck) version where you’d need to enable that on the motherboard.
It’s because Apple moved on from X. They skipped 9 just because they didn’t want to be behind Apple.
Wasn’t the reason for skipping 9 to not break programs assuming “Windows 9” meant 95 / 98?
Gee, I can’t imagine why that could be.
Oh, I can think of a few reasons.
You know it’s bad when even I switch to linux. I don’t understand linux. I literally back up my entire hard drive everytime I attempt to do ANYTHING. Because I WILL screw up my whole system to the point it won’t boot. I’ve done it many times over the coarse of the past year.
Then I gotta spend a whole day waiting for things to restore from backup. And then whatever I WAD trying to do, still isn’t done.
That has been my experience using linux this past year.
But Windows 11? No.
That’s how you level up in Linux. You break things, learn what you did wrong and do better next time. Linux won’t hold your hand, you can and will shoot yourself in the foot.
You are doing it right by having backups and playing it safe. You’ll be ok.
Idk wtf you guys are doing.
Even my parents haven’t screwed up the Linux Mint I set up for them to use. I’m super curious what in the world breaks it so bad that it doesnt boot.
This happened to me when I installed a new GPU.
Successfully booted up Linux mint today, stayed on windows for uni (thinking I might need one of those Microsoft apps). Missed Linux and now back :)
Is Linux good? I’m thinking of changing over one of my old alienwear laptops to Linux cause it’s just gotten so slow on Windows
Well yes it can be. If you have a Nvidia GPU it wouldn’t be the best because they sometimes have driver issues (that’s Nvidia with closed shitty drivers for linux). I will probably run fine anyways. I would recommend Bazzite if you don’t want to tinker with linux and just use it. CachyOS if you want a snappy experience. Gaming wise they don’t have any difference and with Bazzite you can’t fuck anything up. Edit: If you have an AMD GPU you should just change to linux no question.
Thanks for that, yeah unfortunately it is nvidia but i might give those two a run anyway at the end of the day i can always re install windows if need be.
Yea I wouldn’t be too concerned with trying just because you have an Nvidia GPU, I’ve been running it for years and haven’t had any show stoppers. Now is probably the best time to give it a go.
I really don’t see what more Windows has to offer than Linux other some shitty software that cannot be run on Linux (Looks at newer Office and Adobe). In that case I can just boot up a VM with black-flag Windows Pro on it.
I really don’t see what more Windows has to offer than Linux
Stability, updates management, built-in features (like window tiling), etc.
Source: using Linux exclusively for almost a year now.
Wait… Either I have bad grammar or you misinterpreted lol. I meant “Linux has more to offer than Windows”
No. I said that there’s a bunch of things (e.g. stability, updates management, features (like window tiling), etc.) that Windows has and Linux does not.
There’s A LOT Linux does great. There’s also a lot Windows does great that Linux massively fails at.
Even some silly things like multi-screen support or saving windows positions between reboots… Lots of small things.
Linux has all of this out of the box (don’t know about windows positions after reboot, I have never tried that even on Windows). What distro and DE are you using? I am using Arch with KDE Plasma and it has been pretty much flawless and stable for me.
Using Bazzite with KDE Desktop and can confirm that it keeps multi-window positions after reboot.
I remember that it used to work on my Garuda (Arch-based), but then one day it just went away and never came back. Considering issues like this it seems like it might be something cobbled-together by various distros rather than a default functionality of Wayland or KDE.
Especially when you’re on Arch with KDE, you don’t have:
- good update management
- window tiling
- saving window positions
I know because I’m on Arch with KDE.
By “good update management” I mean what MS does - all updates are pushed once a month, on Patch Tuesday (second Tuesday of the month). You can put it in your calendar and plan for a necessary reboot.
I know Arch is a rolling release so it doesn’t have that on purpose, but it’s not much better with Ubuntu - I was getting updates every couple of days, once a week at best.
Window tiling doesn’t exist “out of the box”, you need third party software (which, apparently still doesn’t give you what Windows has out of the box) or a switch from KDE to COSMIC, which still doesn’t give you the freedom of choice that Windows has (it’s either “everything is tiled” or “nothing is tiled”).
Saving window positions (on Wayland) is the most confusing one, because it seems like the one that’d be the easiest to implement, but KDE devs just flat out refuse to do it. I hear that it works on X11.
Multi-monitor support is piss poor. If I spread my windows across multiple monitors and then turn one monitor off, those windows are no longer accessible. SDDM displays the same interface on each monitor, and each is a separate instance of SDDM - meaning, you can type in your password on monitor 2, and if you press “OK” on monitor 1, it will fail, because the password field is empty. It’s just silly design. On Windows, if you disconnect an extra screen, all the content gets dropped on the main screen. Since Windows 11, if you then re-connect the screen, all windows will pop back into their places before the disconnect happened.
You might have configured something that broke it because there ain’t no way what you are saying is not supported on Linux.
I know Arch is a rolling release so it doesn’t have that on purpose, but it’s not much better with Ubuntu - I was getting updates every couple of days, once a week at best.
You don’t have to update if you don’t want to and you can schedule your updates as well with a bash script (although I prefer to do it manually once a week). I have a Windows VM used for MS office and Adobe that hasn’t been updated for months.
Window tiling doesn’t exist “out of the box”, you need third party software
It is out of the box. Meta + Arrow Keys and/OR Meta + PgUp. I use it all the time lol since KDE Plasma 5 and Gnome whatever version it was 3 years ago.
)Saving window positions (on Wayland) is the most confusing one
Confirmed works by FarrellPerks@feddit.uk in above comments. Although I never tested or cared for it.
SDDM displays the same interface on each monitor, and each is a separate instance of SDDM
I don’t know about desktop towers, for laptop it is always only one instance — my laptop display, monitor is dark before I hit enter. And for the normal KDE lockscreen, it does give it on both the screens but I can enter my password in any one of them and logon.
if you disconnect an extra screen, all the content gets dropped on the main screen. Since Windows 11, if you then re-connect the screen, all windows will pop back into their places before the disconnect happened.
same happens on KDE Plasma.
It is out of the box. Meta + Arrow Keys and/OR Meta + PgUp.
Ah, OK, nice! I didn’t see it as it’s not available via mouse, but found all those threads saying it doesn’t exist. Good to know!
Confirmed works by FarrellPerks@feddit.uk in above comments
Doesn’t work on Garuda (Arch-based) with KDE.
Or rather: it used to work, but then just stopped.
I don’t know about desktop towers, for laptop it is always only one instance — my laptop display, monitor is dark before I hit enter
Interesting! On my laptop I also had two instances of SDDM.
same happens on KDE Plasma.
Not where I’m sitting. Tested via cat accidentally turning a monitor off. The browser window just stayed on that screen - the process was there, but the application was not available.
Stability? Update management? Window tiling? What? Linux does have all of these things. In fact Linux is way more stable than Windows, has better update management. Mind you, it does depend on the distro and the amount of stability you want, but I have been running Debian servers for years and I hardly run into problems.
The only thing windows offers over Linux is gaming and a better UI. Even both of those are dwindling away. I hate the new windows 11 UI and most games work on Linux unless you require a rootkit for some anti cheat software.
Stability? Update management? Window tiling? What? Linux does have all of these things.
No.
In fact Linux is way more stable than Windows
I install Windows and forget about it. I install Linux and have to do all this, and then it still might do this or this.
Mind you, it does depend on the distro
Agreed.
and the amount of stability you want
I want all the stability.
but I have been running Debian servers for years and I hardly run into problems.
Not talking about servers.
But even then - at my last job we finally killed off a Windows Server that had an uptime of over 1000 days, just chugging along like a little trooper. At my previous-previous job I was responsible for the WinServer updates, every single one of them was getting monthly updates and reboots, didn’t have a single issue in 7 years. It was just shy of 100 servers.
The only thing windows offers over Linux is gaming and a better UI. Even both of those are dwindling away. I hate the new windows 11 UI and most games work on Linux unless you require a rootkit for some anti cheat software.
Agreed. I have Garuda Linux installed on my gaming PC and only had minor issues with three titles. It’s surprisingly frictionless.
The most frustrating part of running Linux for me is the experience can vary so much for each person, slight hardware differences can cause odd bugs that other people don’t have, and solving them can be really time consuming because a fix that works for one distro or DE may not work on another.
I’m really happy that Bazzite seems to be gaining so much popularity as an actual windows replacement, because it makes it a lot easier to find fixes for problems if there’s a huge community using the exact same distro.
I want to qualify this comment with the fact that I am not a super gamer. Most my games are older. The newest and most demanding game I play is Cyberpunk 2077. Most my other games are multiple years older and less demanding.
I finally switched full time to a Linux desktop OS. I have used Linux more or less daily for decades, the first distro I ever installed was Slackware what feels forever ago. But until Valve put the work into running games on linux for their Steam deck I felt I was trapped needing to have Windows to play games. I have even spent the last decade forcing myself to rely more and more on cross platform available FOSS dreaming of some day making a permanent switch. Honestly it was so easy for me to switch at this point, most games pretty much just ran. My biggest problem took a bit to grok and it was just because some games do not like running in proton from an NTFS partition. I have NVME and SATA SSDs separate from my boot drive that I used to install games on and it was trivial to reformat the NVME drive to a more Linux friendly filesystem and I have not had an issue since. Eventually I’ll do the SATA drive but I’m lazy and those games are working fine so far. You will absolutely have problems with some games, especially some that have overbearing anti-cheat systems, but man this has been so easy I couldn’t really have imagined. The only non-gaming problem was a document scanner we own that is not supported by SANE. I could not find a solution to run it on Linux so I just spun up a Tiny 11 copy of Windows in a VM and passed it through. We only use it a couple times a year so this is an acceptable compromise to me. The VM doesn’t have Internet access, it just sees a local drive as a network share. All it can do is scan something and save it to the shared drive so I can access it in Linux.
I chose Linux Mint because I am well versed with Debian and Ubuntu. But I suggest anyone new to Linux give Bazzite a shot. It’s designed to be a lot harder for you to break. It’s also more optimized for gaming if that’s your focus. For me gaming is a requirement but I’ve never felt the need for top tier performance.
The path from 3.1 to 11 has been such a sour one and the last thing I am willing to put up with is being the product in the eyes of my desktop OS. My computer is mine and it will do what I want it to do or it will do nothing at all.
My biggest problem took a bit to grok
Now that you’re on Linux pop Docker on there and install Ollama/WebUI on there so you can run your own grok at home and not have to support yet another horrible company
Try again.
They keep updating my windows 10 computers at work and the one I have at home. None of my Microsoft apps work, I can’t install paint, or photos or the Microsoft store. My personal computer freezes as soon as I open windows explorer. This just started after the last update.
I already have a Linux server downstairs and this week converted me windows 10 pc to endeavor OS. It’s lightning fast and easy to use if you already know the problems with Linux.
That is because it is buggy, I use windows 11 both at home and work. It is very unstable compared to Windows 10.
Oh, you think its the bugs that are the main culprit? I have a CoPilot to sell you
The executive also noted that 500 million PCs don’t meet Windows 11’s system requirements while the others don’t need a hardware upgrade to run the OS. Although this would indicate that 500 million PCs would potentially be replaced with newer alternatives capable of running Windows 11 at some point, Clarke hinted at “roughly flat” sales for Dell PCs would moving forward . Clarke didn’t explain the reasoning behind this statement , but it could mean that people are just not that interested in upgrading to Windows 11 PCs.
It’s a simple reason. Everybody is abandoning dell in droves for lenovo in enterprise environments.
I used to buy dell exclusively for laptops across over a decade at multiple organizations where I determined hardware standards and purchasing. Everyone always wanted a x1 carbon or thinkpad but the prices were too high. This is no longer the case. Now everyone gets a thinkpad or x1 carbon where I work at least, and statistics for market share are heavily on the lenovo side now.
That’s how I see it anyway. This has nothing to do with windows 11, it’s just another service pack when you’re managing everything via GPO/intune/sccm/whatever.
for some reason my work is the opposite. they were all lenovo (which were great), but we were forced to switch to shitty dells.
“Slower” implies you’re projecting the same end results. Do they think the missing numbers are just not using a computer at all? In the digital age? By far your largest numbers of actual Win11 migrators are companies whose tech policy is the CYA “update everything in case we get hacked”.
The common folk are not going to buy a new computer just to get a slower Windows installation. The people who migrate from Windows 10/7 holdouts are going to be migrating to Linux.
Literally me biding my time on W10 for Autodesk to pull their head out their ass and make AutoCAD for Linux.
Windows 11 brings change but no significant features. The general population hates change.
Idk what you mean “no significant features”. I definitely needed AI integration in notepad.exe.
Also I definitely needed a broken start menu that doesn’t show any result when doing a search
ITT: People who don’t realize there is a massive amount of software developed for smb and enterprise businesses that only run on Windows which is the primary driver of Windows sales. Quickbooks, various ERP implementations, any kind of legal case management software, Sage, etc
Blows my mind seeing people look on windows 10 as some kind of last bastion, apparently not realizing that was Windows 7 at best.
10 is the one where they fucked up the UX beyond repair, made everything slow and added insane amounts of spying. If you willingly switched to 10 then don’t pretend like 11 is a bridge too far now.
People said they will never upgrade from 7 to 10, and now they are saying they will never upgrade from 10 to 11
The difference is that Windows 11 is locked behind behind hardware requirements. A lot of people simply can’t upgrade.
^ This, I had to be dragged kicking and screaming from 7 to 10, and now looking forward to another 3 years of Win10 security updates, while fervently praying that Adobe and my online games add Linux support during that time >_>
Will it make you even more frustrated to learn Steam has a Linux-native build of Substance Painter, but Adobe still won’t support it themselves?
It did :P
10 is the one where they fucked up the UX beyond repair
Was it? I gave up on 8 because of the UI, downgraded back to 7 and that was my last Windows machine. Was 10 worse?
8 was such a disaster that people don’t really consider it a real version of windows. 10 was actually better than 8 but that’s not saying much
I still can’t grasp that Microsoft, a $3.6 trillion company, developed a new settings interface but failed to migrate all settings to it, forcing users to use both. Even I know that’s day one UX shite and I’m quite stupid.
What’s hilarious is that this started with Win10 so its been an issue for over a decade now and two major revisions at least (possibly started on Win8).
It did start on win8
