no, im actually quite pleased with what i already submitted. a quote:
The term [Nakba] is used to describe the events of the 1948 Palestine war in Mandatory Palestine as well as Israel’s ongoing persecution and displacement of Palestinians.
maybe you want to nitpick the difference between ‘genocide’ and ‘persecution.’ i will just observe the fact that while the number of Palestinians genocided per year between 1948 and today varies, the number is always non-zero. not incidentally, a genocide may consist of other dehumanizations than the relatively simple process of mass murder. a historian might see fit to draw distinctions between periods of more and less genocidal behavior- or i suppose i should say more or less overtly genocidal behavior. i do not. i invite you to claim such an arbitrayr historical semanticism if you so please.
or show me how i am wrong and i will thank you for the education: demonstrate an actually peaceful year between then and now. demonstrate a year, even one single year, where you can in good faith argue palestenians did not live in fear, under subjugation, their land invaded, their sovereignty usurped, their culture effaced, the people subject to arbitrary detention and plain unaccountable murder: In short, a year of no genocide between then and now.
in other words, i challenge you to find a way to describe the unbroken campaign of ethnic cleansing and apartheid and displacement and settlement and indiscriminate murder and intentional famine etc etc etc as something other than constituting genocide in aggregate. it would be like trying to show that a person infected with herpes virus is periodically cured by looking at the periods between outbreaks. i predict you will run into a problem of finding many different forms of “unpeace” consistent with genocide. (actions taken with the intent (i will even allow intention and effect to lower the bar of this challenge) of destruction in whole or in part a people according to their categorization along lines of eg religious, national, ethnic groups)
until then i remain intransigent. i assert genocide is unbroken from then to now and therefore insulting others as having a 2 week memory is an ironic hypocrisy. glass houses and stones.
before i leave off, in fairness to you, i dont hate you. i fundamentally agree that it was shitty of aoc to vote to fund israel’s ongoing genocide and am skeptical of her intention and ability to affect meaningful positive change. i take exception to the unworthy insult. i write in disappointment, not anger.
i see you are pleased to claim arbitrary historic semanticisms about the difference between genocide and persecution rather than actually attempt to meet the (admittedly impossible) challenge of actually demonstrating a break in the chain of genocidal intention and behavior from then to now. you will understand when i say i do not thank you for the education.
at least you now understand why i think its a hypocritical irony to insult others as having a short memory while simultaneously claiming the genocide started a couple short years ago.
before i leave off, in fairness to you, i dont hate you. i fundamentally agree that it was shitty of aoc to vote to fund israel’s ongoing genocide and am skeptical of her intention and ability to affect meaningful positive change. i take exception to the unworthy insult. i write in disappointment, not anger.
Not sure how much time you want to spend arguing about semantics. Yes Israel has been genociding Palestinians since even before 48, but terms are used out of convenience and saying “77 years into the genocide” is not language anyone will understand.
Did you know when the genocide started and what year it is now
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
There’s multiple genocides on Palestinians by Israel. That’s why there’s multiple Wikipedia pages. Maybe you can find another one.
no, im actually quite pleased with what i already submitted. a quote:
maybe you want to nitpick the difference between ‘genocide’ and ‘persecution.’ i will just observe the fact that while the number of Palestinians genocided per year between 1948 and today varies, the number is always non-zero. not incidentally, a genocide may consist of other dehumanizations than the relatively simple process of mass murder. a historian might see fit to draw distinctions between periods of more and less genocidal behavior- or i suppose i should say more or less overtly genocidal behavior. i do not. i invite you to claim such an arbitrayr historical semanticism if you so please.
or show me how i am wrong and i will thank you for the education: demonstrate an actually peaceful year between then and now. demonstrate a year, even one single year, where you can in good faith argue palestenians did not live in fear, under subjugation, their land invaded, their sovereignty usurped, their culture effaced, the people subject to arbitrary detention and plain unaccountable murder: In short, a year of no genocide between then and now.
in other words, i challenge you to find a way to describe the unbroken campaign of ethnic cleansing and apartheid and displacement and settlement and indiscriminate murder and intentional famine etc etc etc as something other than constituting genocide in aggregate. it would be like trying to show that a person infected with herpes virus is periodically cured by looking at the periods between outbreaks. i predict you will run into a problem of finding many different forms of “unpeace” consistent with genocide. (actions taken with the intent (i will even allow intention and effect to lower the bar of this challenge) of destruction in whole or in part a people according to their categorization along lines of eg religious, national, ethnic groups)
until then i remain intransigent. i assert genocide is unbroken from then to now and therefore insulting others as having a 2 week memory is an ironic hypocrisy. glass houses and stones.
before i leave off, in fairness to you, i dont hate you. i fundamentally agree that it was shitty of aoc to vote to fund israel’s ongoing genocide and am skeptical of her intention and ability to affect meaningful positive change. i take exception to the unworthy insult. i write in disappointment, not anger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide
i see you are pleased to claim arbitrary historic semanticisms about the difference between genocide and persecution rather than actually attempt to meet the (admittedly impossible) challenge of actually demonstrating a break in the chain of genocidal intention and behavior from then to now. you will understand when i say i do not thank you for the education.
at least you now understand why i think its a hypocritical irony to insult others as having a short memory while simultaneously claiming the genocide started a couple short years ago.
Maybe you missed it so here you go https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-defends-decision-support-military-aid-israel
evidently you missed it:
Not sure how much time you want to spend arguing about semantics. Yes Israel has been genociding Palestinians since even before 48, but terms are used out of convenience and saying “77 years into the genocide” is not language anyone will understand.