• TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    The main opposition to leftist momentum in this country is literally the Democratic party.

    And has been since 2008. Democrats don’t want to win if that means stepping left.

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      4 days ago

      They don’t like her. They wouldnt support mamdani.

      We need to get rid of the corrupt Dems. AOC is the right choice to help do that.

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        They don’t like her. They wouldnt support mamdani.

        Didn’t stop Mamdani. Wont stop us. Just need to understand youre not running one of their campaigns. We can’t use their approaches and shouldn’t evaluate ourselves by their metrics.

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        They didn’t support Mamdani, until he won anyway. Then they ALL showed up at his inauguration, and acted like they were behind him all along.

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            And yet they all showed up on HIS Inauguration Day to bask in HIS reflected glow. Politicians are all the same at their core.

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              Well good thing is we know who the blue maga is.

              The bad news is that too many Democratic voters aren’t paying enough attention to that part.

              So we have to be loud and consistent in educating those around us. Comments online but even more important, inform people in person.

              We are up against the Republicans, Israel, and corp Dems. They will do anything they can to stay in power.

              But we’ve beaten them before and we can do it again. But it’s going to require a lot of effort and persistence on us who have critical thinking. Point out the blue maga when you see them. And inform people why. Aipac and pac donations is the most obvious one. But if you know of bills they supported you can throw some of those facts out too.
              Provide easy concrete examples.

              There is a human bias where when examples are simple and easy to recall, we actually give them more weight.

              Work with that. Don’t bring up complex examples. Reduce them to simple ones if needed.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic

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                Good advice. I’m trying to think propagandistic with my posts, using tools, techniques, strategies, etc. but in a positive way, to spread truth instead of MAGA lies. We should be hijacking their successful strategies wherever possible, and turning them to offensive use against them.

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                  Generally I don’t like manipulating people. But I am knowledgeable about how it’s done. And I guess if the opposition is going to do it, we are going to have to use some strategies.

                  In psychology they are called “persuasive techniques”. But I’ve always considered them manipulative.

                  I think some knowledge of this might be of aid to you as well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaboration_likelihood_model

                  Most leftist like to think that the left are smart and intelligent but it’s not true. A large chunk of liberals/leftist are just as hindered in their critical thinking as rights. (Though there are more on the right to be sure).

                  So these people are more easily manipulated by surface shallow arguments.

                  Like Gavin newsome being attractive and getting in laughs at trump.

                  This is not something that should matter for elections but it does.

                  Way too many people are won over by this kind of thing but . We can still combat it. We just have to appeal to both types of people.

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                    I’m a sales guy, and I see politics and political campaigns as simple marketing, and MAGA does it extremely well, and Democrats are terrible at it.

                    It’s not really manipulation if you are dishing out the truth to people who have been brainwashed in the worst sorts of ways. I’m more interested in using effective, truthful messaging, and I am concerned with the addictive outrage techniques that the Conservative Propaganda Machine employs to trigger constant surges of dopamine in their victims.

                    I want to persuade, teach, and wake up dormant Critical Thinking Skills, while MAGA wants manipulate and addict. Just because they use a strategy in an evil way, doesn’t make it off limits for us to use it in for Good.

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      What are the chances of the right having a scism and spoiling their own ballot (split MAGA and GOP)? If that were to look likely that would be the best time to have an independent progressive run. Would spoil the dems ballot too, but so long as we are stuck in the cycle of “I dont care who wins, so long as they lose” system, I dont see any way to break out of the two-party gridlock.