If Donald Trump’s administration really wants to find evidence of foreign interference in Georgia’s elections, then they need look no further than the president’s old friend Elon Musk and his shady super PAC.
Members of the Georgia State Elections Board voted Wednesday to issue a formal letter of reprimand to Musk’s America PAC over the billionaire technocrat’s illegal scheme to get Trump elected. Georgia, a key battleground state in 2024, was the target of aggressive campaigning by Trump’s team.
I’ll believe it when I see actual evidence. So far I’ve seen nothing that’s even remotely convincing.
While I respect your call for evidence, it’s not even remotely out of the realm of possibility; known fucking with the voting machines goes back to 2000 and Bush v. Gore.
If you’ve never read it, the 2004 Vanity Fair exposé The Path to Florida is not paywalled, and while it is quite long it is also the best imaginable use of an hour of your time for anyone who wants to know just how far back this all goes:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2004/10/florida-election-2000
I will never be able to unsee the negative 16,000 votes for Gore in Volusia County again as long as I live. That’s only a “glitch” when the machine is actually doing more than mere tabulating.
And if you ever want to know how a well-born but relatively low-level attorney can go from attorney to federal judge to Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in only five years, this will help you understand. Because for every ruling the Supreme Court makes today, we have Bush v. Gore to thank, and the 2000 election that propelled John Roberts from mere attorney to being chief justice of SCOTUS.
It’s amazing how few people really understand just how fucked the whole 2000 election situation was.
Given the various polls before and after the election it shouldn’t have been surprising. Trump hit on economic issues hard while Harris was doubling down on Bidens policies which, right or wrong, most people blamed for the inflation. Harris did fuck up though by not requesting a recount in at least the 3 closest contests. We should normalize verification of results without accusations of fraud.
Yes, that’s the other side of the coin. The DNC fucked up so badly in many ways, and it wasn’t their first time.
It’s complicated. Some polls said Harris would win, along with Allan Lichtman who has been right about every election since 1984. However there are other signs that Trump was going to win. Also further complicated that Trump has a 30 year history of cheating and lying to win, and he and Musk would do everything in their power to not go to prison. Also also, Russia/China/Iran love to stoke and accelerate internal divisions by pushing election denial conspiracies. So overall, there’s a lot of variables here and I would sleep better with PA having done a full hand recount (though I know that won’t actual happen).
Yeah, like I said, those are massive claims. I’m an experienced data scientist and I’ve followed ETA’s methods and results, and even debated with another internet election science guy about it. On the surface ETA’s data looks like evidence of something fucky, but digging a little deeper shows some potential odd methods they choose to represent stuff and not enough baseline data analysis to compare against their anomalous data analysis.
Still, I fully believe they tried to cheat given their character and long history of cheating in every aspect of life, so I’m withholding final judgement until the lawsuits are born out.
Would you support a hand recount in PA? I still would, just to put the whole issue to bed once and for all.
Sure, no reason not to count again as long as it’s open and honest. But I personally doubt they will find anything major. It’s not that I don’t think Trump would cheat, but it’s hard to do and harder to get away with.
Devil’s advocate: if they had access to the software that’s on the network-connected machines, of only 2 major brands, wouldn’t that make it easier to install malware?