• pelespirit@sh.itjust.works
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    3 days ago

    Water resources aren’t even on the chart. Nuts, for example, can use way too much water. Almonds in California are a battle.

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      3 days ago

      Water resources aren’t even on the chart. Probably because it’s about “greenhouse gas emissions across the supply chain”?

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      3 days ago

      It’s also kind of unfair to go by weight. A kg of beef is way more harmful to the environment, but it’s also got a lot more calories and essential to live vitamins and minerals in it than any fruit or vegetable.

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          But more bioavailability. People always forget that factor.

          And that’s assuming the vegetables are raw, of course, because they lose a lot of the nutrients when cooked as well.

          Fruits are a better source usually.

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            1 day ago

            Actually, cooking vegetables tends to give you more vitamins and such out of them. So long as they aren’t boiled.

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              1 day ago

              No.

              It makes certain nutrients more bioavailabile, but destroys others that are heat sensitive, like Vitamin C.

              And even then that is based on how you cook them. As you said, boiling for example leaches out potassium. But, if you’re still going to use or drink the liquid, your still get the potassium. It’s why you should drink the soup if you make bean soup - you have to boil beans.

              But then there’s things like iron - that one is already bioavailabile in meat, but the kind plants have is different, and require an acid to preactivate them beforehand (that’s why it’s good to add some balsamic vinegar or lemon juice to a salad for example).

              Others have nutrients that are poorly absorbed and irritate the stomach that you don’t want, especially since they’ll block absorption of other minerals. Pecans for example you need to soak and drain a few times ideally to get rid of this bad phosphorus (I think it was hexadecaphosphate?) for hours before roasting them to get the most minerals you can from them.

              And there’s a lot more. You can learn and memorize this if you’re not vegan to eat healthier - or you can just eat a piece of meat. You can maybe see why people pick the latter. I don’t agree they should, btw, just explaining why some do.

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          I didn’t say plants vs meat. I said beef vs any fruit or vegetable. Not all the fruits and vegetables. A steak has more things you need to live in it than most any fruit or vegetable. While your comparison wouldn’t be totally unfair, the expectation that people will be able to eat so many different fruits and vegetables all the time, is.