Where have I ever said anything of the sort. I said that children under a certain age lack the social understanding to be deceptive. In order to be able to deceive someone, you need a theory of mind.
It would be wonderful to see some research backing your anecdotal claim, otherwise I would simply have to assume your toddler may be experiencing delayed development
While much research has been done on infants, theory of mind develops continuously throughout childhood and into late adolescence as the synapsesin the prefrontal cortex develop. The prefrontal cortex is thought to be involved in planning and decision-making.
Children seem to develop theory of mind skills sequentially. The first skill to develop is the ability to recognize that others have diverse desires. Children are able to recognize that others have diverse beliefs soon after. The next skill to develop is recognizing that others have access to different knowledge bases. Finally, children are able to understand that others may have false beliefs and that others are capable of hiding emotions.
Edit:
So, modelling a wrong state of the world in other agents apparently forms at 4, according to this review:
Fundamental developmental changes happen at
around age 4, when new conceptual structures emerge.
This ‘4 year revolution’ marks the onset of a fully fledged
meta-representational ToM. In the course of this major
transition, children gain the ability to succeed in a clus-ter of tasks that all require meta-representation. Among
these are false-belief tasks, often considered a litmus test
of mature ToM. These tasks explicitly require children
to ascribe a subjective mis-representation to another
agent and explain/predict their actions accordingly. In
the most well known version, the child sees that another
agent puts an object into one box and then the object is
transferred to another box in the agent’s absence (Fig. 3a).
The critical test question asked of the child is where the
agent believes the object is or where the agent will search
for the object39. Children younger than four systemati-cally answer incorrectly; they say that the agent thinks
the object is where it really is and accordingly say that the
agent will search in the second box. However, from
around age 4, children succeed at the task by indicating
that the agent will search in the first box.
Edit2:
But I’m sure your child was a criminal mastemind schooling your ass at chess five minutes after they enacted a cunning plan of tricking their way out of the womb. /s … if you even have a child.
Speaking of understanding the state of information and when it became available to others, do you think the Wikipedia article might need to be updated based on new research findings?
I will wait until the research is replicated but based on my 3 year old son’s behaviour I’m going to say that yes, children start attempting to deceive before 4 years old.
He’s been hiding biscuits and other treats he knows he shouldn’t have since well before he was 2.
So maybe you’re relying on outdated information, maybe you’re biased about your own child, or maybe your child is a little delayed.
Sounds like your kid is an excellent liar.
Sure thing, stranger on the internet: teach me things about my toddler. /s
If this toddler is the first child, there’s a whole fuck ton you don’t know yet. Good luck.
Yeah, sure. I’m raising a manipulative tryant. /s Shut the fuck up, you arrogant prick.
You sound like an excellent parent.
Thanks, doing my best!
Oh I’m sure your child is a little angel that will never lie, hide things from you or do anything naughty.
Congratulations you’re the one parent in all of human history to figure it all out!
Where have I ever said anything of the sort. I said that children under a certain age lack the social understanding to be deceptive. In order to be able to deceive someone, you need a theory of mind.
It would be wonderful to see some research backing your anecdotal claim, otherwise I would simply have to assume your toddler may be experiencing delayed development
From Wikipedia:
Edit: So, modelling a wrong state of the world in other agents apparently forms at 4, according to this review:
Edit2:
But I’m sure your child was a criminal mastemind schooling your ass at chess five minutes after they enacted a cunning plan of tricking their way out of the womb. /s … if you even have a child.
Speaking of understanding the state of information and when it became available to others, do you think the Wikipedia article might need to be updated based on new research findings?
I will wait until the research is replicated but based on my 3 year old son’s behaviour I’m going to say that yes, children start attempting to deceive before 4 years old.
He’s been hiding biscuits and other treats he knows he shouldn’t have since well before he was 2.
So maybe you’re relying on outdated information, maybe you’re biased about your own child, or maybe your child is a little delayed.