I totally get your point about not wanting to use Brave for ethical and moral reasons, but considering I haven’t seen any issues lately regarding a lack of privacy or honesty from the devs, I’m actually really comfortable where I’m at.
It’s not just about moral reasons (although I would write them off for moral reasons alone, to be clear). Brave as a browser has a history of making privacy worse- see, for example, disabling advance anti-fingerprinting in 2024 and their piss-poor tor implementation in 2021. Your initial comment had said you hadn’t seen anything since 2018 and maybe you like the browser enough to not care about their history of careless implementations of privacy features or their limiting of user choice on fingerprinting protections, but I don’t see how these objections can be dismissed as not relating to privacy.
They really do involve privacy, just like how Brave used Google as its default search engine when it was first created, but that changed over time, just as the things you mentioned are from 2018 and 2024 (8 and 2 years ago).
So let me get this straight: you are concerned about Google’s overreach into your privacy rights, but you are defending Brave browser, who has a history of deceiving users with claims of privacy, literally trying to mine shitcoins on your device, and promoting ads for certain affiliates without telling anyone?
1,2,3,4,6,7,8,10,11 are not privacy related issues.
I don’t think you read, or understood the article, because your summary is not what’s happening there. In that article a website owner is complaining that Brave is scraping their website and using the content to feed some database for LLM training.
I was confused about because your summary is incorrect (again). Brave does still block fingerprinting, but according to that article they removed the “strict” level blocking because too many sites broke.
Interesting that you didn’t respond to the other points. Anyway, I don’t give a shit what people do on their devices, ultimately. Brave has shown itself to not be a trustworthy player many times, yet you folks still just drink the koolaid. I have no idea why Brave’s marketing gets you every time when the reality is they are out to make profit at the expense of the user.
It’s not that interesting, I just pointed out that they don’t have much to do with what the other user was asking for. They can respond to those other points if they want to.
For a recap, you mentioned:
Brave browser, who has a history of deceiving users with claims of privacy, literally trying to mine shitcoins on your device, and promoting add for certain affiliates without telling anuone?
The other user asked you to:
List which privacy promises Brave has failed to keep.
You responded with a list of 11 items. Only 3 were initially privacy related. 2 of those 3 you changed the headline to make a false claim. 1 of those turned out to not even be a privacy issue (after actually reading the source).
If you want to convince Brave users to not use Brave, you’ll want to make sure that your arguments are valid and that you’ve actually read and understood the sources you’re pointing to.
I even provided you with a current/active DNS leak issue that you can use.
I totally get your point about not wanting to use Brave for ethical and moral reasons, but considering I haven’t seen any issues lately regarding a lack of privacy or honesty from the devs, I’m actually really comfortable where I’m at.
It’s not just about moral reasons (although I would write them off for moral reasons alone, to be clear). Brave as a browser has a history of making privacy worse- see, for example, disabling advance anti-fingerprinting in 2024 and their piss-poor tor implementation in 2021. Your initial comment had said you hadn’t seen anything since 2018 and maybe you like the browser enough to not care about their history of careless implementations of privacy features or their limiting of user choice on fingerprinting protections, but I don’t see how these objections can be dismissed as not relating to privacy.
They really do involve privacy, just like how Brave used Google as its default search engine when it was first created, but that changed over time, just as the things you mentioned are from 2018 and 2024 (8 and 2 years ago).
So let me get this straight: you are concerned about Google’s overreach into your privacy rights, but you are defending Brave browser, who has a history of deceiving users with claims of privacy, literally trying to mine shitcoins on your device, and promoting ads for certain affiliates without telling anyone?
Either you are a paid troll or incredibly naive.
List which privacy promises Brave has failed to keep.
This isn’t even a complete list. Are you starting to see why Brave and deGoogle don’t go together yet?
I’m assuming this is a list you copied from somewhere else, most of these are not privacy issues.
https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/13527
There is a more recent issue where DNS is leaking if your Shield settings are set to “Aggressive” for trackers & ads blocking:
https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/48947
1,2,3,4,6,7,8,10,11 are not privacy related issues.
I don’t think you read, or understood the article, because your summary is not what’s happening there. In that article a website owner is complaining that Brave is scraping their website and using the content to feed some database for LLM training.
I was confused about because your summary is incorrect (again). Brave does still block fingerprinting, but according to that article they removed the “strict” level blocking because too many sites broke.
Interesting that you didn’t respond to the other points. Anyway, I don’t give a shit what people do on their devices, ultimately. Brave has shown itself to not be a trustworthy player many times, yet you folks still just drink the koolaid. I have no idea why Brave’s marketing gets you every time when the reality is they are out to make profit at the expense of the user.
It’s not that interesting, I just pointed out that they don’t have much to do with what the other user was asking for. They can respond to those other points if they want to.
For a recap, you mentioned:
The other user asked you to:
You responded with a list of 11 items. Only 3 were initially privacy related. 2 of those 3 you changed the headline to make a false claim. 1 of those turned out to not even be a privacy issue (after actually reading the source).
If you want to convince Brave users to not use Brave, you’ll want to make sure that your arguments are valid and that you’ve actually read and understood the sources you’re pointing to.
I even provided you with a current/active DNS leak issue that you can use.