The whole no fruty flavors has always seemed an out of touch rule. Kids using any addictive substances is not good, but a few decades ago it was commonplace for kids to be cought smoking analog cigs. Ecigs are safer and have gotten more people to quit than just about anything, but they are also easier for a non smoker to get into. I think the problem is with how kids are getting access to them (from shady illegal online dealers mostly).
That said before big tobacco got involved the older style nicotine isolate vapes were much better at actually getting people to quit smoking. They don’t give the same level of instant nicotine high you can get from the modern salt nicotine and if you are trying to ween off of nicotine they lessen or remove the cravings. It also helped they weren’t cool, my favorite world I’ve heard people call them was ‘mouth fedora’
Let’s not forget about smirnof flavors like birthday cake or other similar nonsense. That’s not advertising to children yet somehow a mango flavored vape is?
Well, see, birthday cake flavored Smirnoff still tastes like absolute garbage.
The real comparison would be actually good tasting alcoholic drinks like hard lemonades or seltzers. Those do actually draw in a lot of the younger crowd, you see them at a lot of underage parties.
I’d love sources on “got more people to quit than just about anything.” Do you just mean “move from cigarettes to vaping”?
Everything I’ve ever read has indicated to me that vaping is significantly more addictive than smoking because the nicotine levels are way, way, way higher. This also causes them to be worse for you than regular smoking because nicotine is a major carcinogen.
Just so everyone is aware. This comment isnt completely true, vaping isnt more cancerous. It is true that nicotine solutions can much be much stronger and this can drive addiction، but no evidence shows vapes are more carcinogenic. Please do not take medical advice from the internet.
Yes moving from smoking to vaping is absolutely “quitting smoking”.
I am a former smoker and current vaper and it’s laughable that this is even a talking point. It’s not even close to as bad for you. Night and day the difference in how well I can breathe.
Why gatekeep and look for perfection? What kind of fool argues for that?
It really is crazy how many people don’t understand how big of a life saving impact vaping has had on smokers even when people only quit the analog cigs and continue to use the worst of the worst salt nic at max levels it’s nowhere close to as bad for both them and 2and hand.
This depends entirely on the vape. I quit smoking by switching to vaping, but this was before the current craze of nic salts. I switched using PG/VG flavored blends with much less dosage of nicotine than even the lightest cigarettes. It absolutely changed my life, and I will advocate for it being legal because of it. The Juul and other crazy high nicotine devices are very addictive though, and I’m of the opinion those need to be controlled better. Lumping all vaping together is very misleading though. I was able to quit vaping by reducing the nicotine blend amount in the juice I was buying, and that’s not really an option for a lot of these mass-market devices. This is part of the problem though - people legislating with a broad brush on a topic they know little about.
In the US big tobacco is responsible for funding anti tobacco campaigns look up “Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement MSA” and from what I saw at the time it seemed like they were using their anti tobacco platforms to demonize their biggest competition, nicotine isolate vapes that you can diy with 3 ingredients, taste better, are much less harmful, way cheaper, and are easier to stop using or become addicted too. To be clear to non smokers this is not the modern salt nicotine big tobacco sells (even though even salt nic is still much better than analogs).
I learned what AstroTurfing was first hand around 2014 due to their successful lobbying and AstroTurfing then getting it classified as a tobacco product and now banning flavors. They use the common tactics of “for the children” and fear mongering about popcorn lung (that you couldn’t get from even the worst ejuice of you tried)
The UK did a study back in the day so it’s not like people didn’t have access to science
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-less-harmful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review
The public swallows just about every lie they tell about vapes
The whole no fruty flavors has always seemed an out of touch rule. Kids using any addictive substances is not good, but a few decades ago it was commonplace for kids to be cought smoking analog cigs. Ecigs are safer and have gotten more people to quit than just about anything, but they are also easier for a non smoker to get into. I think the problem is with how kids are getting access to them (from shady illegal online dealers mostly).
That said before big tobacco got involved the older style nicotine isolate vapes were much better at actually getting people to quit smoking. They don’t give the same level of instant nicotine high you can get from the modern salt nicotine and if you are trying to ween off of nicotine they lessen or remove the cravings. It also helped they weren’t cool, my favorite world I’ve heard people call them was ‘mouth fedora’
Idk i always thought those clunky vapes were cool. Cyberpunk af to have people modding and fixing up their electronic cigarettes
“Analog cigs” has me dying. Metaphorically and literally.
Let’s not forget about smirnof flavors like birthday cake or other similar nonsense. That’s not advertising to children yet somehow a mango flavored vape is?
Well, see, birthday cake flavored Smirnoff still tastes like absolute garbage.
The real comparison would be actually good tasting alcoholic drinks like hard lemonades or seltzers. Those do actually draw in a lot of the younger crowd, you see them at a lot of underage parties.
I’d love sources on “got more people to quit than just about anything.” Do you just mean “move from cigarettes to vaping”?
Everything I’ve ever read has indicated to me that vaping is significantly more addictive than smoking because the nicotine levels are way, way, way higher. This also causes them to be worse for you than regular smoking because nicotine is a major carcinogen.
Just so everyone is aware. This comment isnt completely true, vaping isnt more cancerous. It is true that nicotine solutions can much be much stronger and this can drive addiction، but no evidence shows vapes are more carcinogenic. Please do not take medical advice from the internet.
Ok, take medical advice from biomedical research.
Heating glycerol to nebulize breaks down glycerol into dihydroacetone, a well known carcinogen.
This is a controversy in sunblocks, which use DHA, but are considered safe because sunblock is not ingested.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10083914/
Yes moving from smoking to vaping is absolutely “quitting smoking”.
I am a former smoker and current vaper and it’s laughable that this is even a talking point. It’s not even close to as bad for you. Night and day the difference in how well I can breathe.
Why gatekeep and look for perfection? What kind of fool argues for that?
It really is crazy how many people don’t understand how big of a life saving impact vaping has had on smokers even when people only quit the analog cigs and continue to use the worst of the worst salt nic at max levels it’s nowhere close to as bad for both them and 2and hand.
But you’re still a nicotine addict paying your money to tobacco companies.
As for real world data on cancer and vaping DHA, even tobacco takes 25+ years to trigger cancer, the vape data is just not in yet.
This depends entirely on the vape. I quit smoking by switching to vaping, but this was before the current craze of nic salts. I switched using PG/VG flavored blends with much less dosage of nicotine than even the lightest cigarettes. It absolutely changed my life, and I will advocate for it being legal because of it. The Juul and other crazy high nicotine devices are very addictive though, and I’m of the opinion those need to be controlled better. Lumping all vaping together is very misleading though. I was able to quit vaping by reducing the nicotine blend amount in the juice I was buying, and that’s not really an option for a lot of these mass-market devices. This is part of the problem though - people legislating with a broad brush on a topic they know little about.
In the US big tobacco is responsible for funding anti tobacco campaigns look up “Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement MSA” and from what I saw at the time it seemed like they were using their anti tobacco platforms to demonize their biggest competition, nicotine isolate vapes that you can diy with 3 ingredients, taste better, are much less harmful, way cheaper, and are easier to stop using or become addicted too. To be clear to non smokers this is not the modern salt nicotine big tobacco sells (even though even salt nic is still much better than analogs).
I learned what AstroTurfing was first hand around 2014 due to their successful lobbying and AstroTurfing then getting it classified as a tobacco product and now banning flavors. They use the common tactics of “for the children” and fear mongering about popcorn lung (that you couldn’t get from even the worst ejuice of you tried) The UK did a study back in the day so it’s not like people didn’t have access to science https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-less-harmful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review
The public swallows just about every lie they tell about vapes