That’s a noble thought. However, do realize that even most, means that some people will not feel bad about killing people. The problem is that now you have to predict with certainty whether any one given person will repeat the offense in the future. A thing that all humans are pretty shit at.
Let’s say, in an hypothetical case, we let a murderer free. There’s no equivocal culpability, we know they did it. But, since you’re advocating for no prison. Then, if he reoffends, you go to jail instead. Would you feel as sure about advocating for a murderer?
It’s easy to presume rehabilitation if you’re not the one who will suffer the consequences. Also, spoken as someone who has never had the opportunity of interacting with an antisocial personality type.
I agree. However, it has no bearing into this particular case. Truth is that you don’t know this person. You are not their forensic psychologist. You cannot claim in any certain way whether he will re-offend or not. All of that is for the system that is in place to decide. Hopefully with some level headed professionals making those decisions. Activism for more humane treatment of convicts and stronger mental health care to reduce the slave state of the judicial system is praiseworthy, I’m with you on that. But that change is gradual and involves a ton of changes on society and culture. But “don’t jail anyone ever”, while it might sound nice and noble, without its social care counterpart, is folly. You will have to jail people from time to time, even if it is to make sure they get mental health care. The number one risk factor with violence prone patients is that they don’t take treatment willingly and tend to fail to show up to care, even if it is available.
so putting this person in jail does no good.
You… Completely ignore why this person wouldn’t do it again. If there is no punishment then why wouldn’t they?
This whole argument is stupid honestly. Stop being disingenuous.
I think most people would feel pretty bad about contributing to someone’s death, and punishing them doesn’t change anything
That’s a noble thought. However, do realize that even most, means that some people will not feel bad about killing people. The problem is that now you have to predict with certainty whether any one given person will repeat the offense in the future. A thing that all humans are pretty shit at.
Let’s say, in an hypothetical case, we let a murderer free. There’s no equivocal culpability, we know they did it. But, since you’re advocating for no prison. Then, if he reoffends, you go to jail instead. Would you feel as sure about advocating for a murderer?
It’s easy to presume rehabilitation if you’re not the one who will suffer the consequences. Also, spoken as someone who has never had the opportunity of interacting with an antisocial personality type.
putting people in cages is wrong. we can be better
I agree. However, it has no bearing into this particular case. Truth is that you don’t know this person. You are not their forensic psychologist. You cannot claim in any certain way whether he will re-offend or not. All of that is for the system that is in place to decide. Hopefully with some level headed professionals making those decisions. Activism for more humane treatment of convicts and stronger mental health care to reduce the slave state of the judicial system is praiseworthy, I’m with you on that. But that change is gradual and involves a ton of changes on society and culture. But “don’t jail anyone ever”, while it might sound nice and noble, without its social care counterpart, is folly. You will have to jail people from time to time, even if it is to make sure they get mental health care. The number one risk factor with violence prone patients is that they don’t take treatment willingly and tend to fail to show up to care, even if it is available.
if this person had the wealth of bezos or Zuckerberg or musk, they’d never have been convicted. we should all be so free.