These people provide public justification to drop the peaceful part of peaceful protest. They force it.
Remember when the far right wanted to kidnap her during COVID?
When’s the next #NoKings performance?
That’s an oopsie daisy
One less candidate to have to consider in 2028…
Her presidential ambitions were doomed the moment this photo was published. I think she has just given up and doesn’t care what people think anymore.
Like how can you go through life as a functional adult thinking shit like this is going to fly
You can when everything had been handed to you until that point.
Where are all those people that love commenting “bOtH SiDeS”?
This is the shit we’re talking about. They both corrupt and evil af.
When choosing the lesser of two evils one is quick to forget that you are still choosing evil.
But it’s still lesser, until bitching fuckwads consistently vote we can’t shift to the left in this country. Politicians don’t give a shit about people who aren’t going to vote or throw their vote away on people who don’t have a chance of winning. So the people who are voting for the lesser of two evils have shitty choices the more people who vote consistently especially in primaries to shift left the better chance we have of moving left.
Stop pretending that dishonest primaries reliably represent the will of the people.
But it’s still lesser
Maybe we try supporting the greater good rather than the lesser evil next time.
The lesser evil is the greater good. We will never shift left if people don’t vote. It’s so ignorant to keep letting Republicans win because the Democrat option isn’t great, every time that happens the country gets dragged to the right. If Republicans stopped winning they would have to shift left, which would shift Democrats left as well.
We’re pretty far into the we should get armed, and trained with firearms, and form militias territory / community defense territory.
Sure voting, but also we need to prepare for the likely scenario our current parasite class will not cede peacefully.
we should get armed, and trained with firearms, and form militias territory / community defense territory
You should read “What Is To Be Done” and grasp a bit of theory before you start pulling a trigger.
Adventurism never seems to benefit left wing organizers in the long run.
Things don’t need to be mutually exclusive. Political parties and whatnot can still be formed and built alongside community defense groups and militias. If anything they will both make each other stronger.
I bring up getting armed and organized because the working class is lacking on that front & being unilaterally disarmed is not productive when the parasite class is more than willing to use violence against us.
Political parties and whatnot can still be formed and built alongside community defense groups and militias.
Sure. But these are large scale long term projects. While the “time to buy a gun and sandbag my front yard” crowd seem to expect some kind of revolutionary action overnight.
I bring up getting armed and organized because the working class is lacking on that front
It’s lacking on a whole host of fronts. Just for starters, where do people even meet anymore? Younger people are poisoned against church. Unions are dying out. People don’t just hang out at the bar after work for hours at a time. Where do you go with your coworkers as a group? Where do you go with your neighbors as a group?
Who do you even talk to about this sort of thing? It’s not like every street has it’s own gun range.
It seems like any large congregation of people that isn’t a private ticketed event is a crime. Down in Houston, the police got called on a big park because of a "teen takeover " (ie, too many young people in the same place at the same time).
You seem weirdly determined to deter people from obtaining a means to defend themselves and communities.
Liberals of all stripes are not the good guys.
Who is she saying this to? Hot mic means this was at a location that had a purpose, like a fundraiser or conference. Why is there only a tweet with NO CONTEXT?! We know people don’t show up to vote so there won’t be backlash. The question is if the person she was talking to is someone that would look somewhere else.
It was Oracle CEO Clay Magouyrk in regards to this project that no one wants
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Wanted a source, myself, so I went digging. Found a video here (sorry to have to link to X, even if via xcancel, but it’s what I’ve got).
Obviously this is a fairly brief snippet, but with the context of this being her talking to the CEO of Oracle at a data center groundbreaking event, it’s hard to imagine this not being exactly what it looks like.
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I feel weirdly like the very noisy audio quality makes this video less likely to be AI, because that’s not really the sort of thing it’s going to have been trained for, but I definitely respect your reservations here. Would like to see more reliable info about this as well.
Like Clinton said, “You need both a public and a private position” to navigate political negotiations and deal-making. Talk populous to the public and do it regardless of public demand is the modus operandi
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Her own words are not credible? Someone defending a fascist is a fascist and is no friend of mine
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You are confusing leftists with Democrats. WE work with reason, Democrats work with emotion and cult like devotion to their shade of fascism
Thanks. Kinda ugly that she’s implying that Oracle should make another one near some other sleepy town with relatively inexpensive power.
Ever wonder why you feel powerless as a citizen? This is why.
The source OP gives doesn’t even show her saying that.
Screw data centers but this is clearly a bad faith or ignorant post/tweet
This is only happening because Leftists didn’t vote for Hillary Clinton in 2008
Gotta put an /s on this, it’s indistinguishable from the real thing
One-liners are the absolute worst kind of political speech. I can’t tell if I agree with you or not. Clarify and defend your position*.
Was Clinton a better candidate in 2008 than Obama? Would her winning the primary have led Obama to run against trump in 2016/2020 instead, resulting in multiple terms of Democratic leadership, undermining capitalism? Or would she have lost and we’d have had our republican asshattery years earlier resulting in left-er leadership as the pendulum swung when this AI bullshit arrived.
My point is: if your only contribution is a single statement like “this is their fault”, just shut up. Trite comments don’t inform.
*I’m actually pretty serious here. I’m new to “Left” and would have called myself a Liberal a few years ago on this forum. Tell me why this is my fault.
Was Clinton a better candidate in 2008 than Obama?
Demonstrably not, given that she handed him dozens of Midwestern states virtually uncontested.
But that’s just how Obama stole the election. He villainously campaigned in Red States as though their primary voters actually mattered.
My point is: if your only contribution is a single statement like “this is their fault”, just shut up. Trite comments don’t inform.
So much of political analysis seems to boil down to “you can only win if you do exactly what I say and never disagree with me in public”.
Hillary learned hard on that pitch in 2008 and again in 2016. Biden and Harris adopted it in 2020 and 2024.
And every time the message alienated people, it’s their fault when the Dem loses.
Strangely enough, I’m still not sure how you feel. I’ve upvoted you because I think this ‘adds to the conversation’ even if I eventually disagree with you.
Demonstrably not…
Your line was “… because Leftists didn’t vote for Hillary Clinton in 2008”.
So you would or would not have preferred Clinton in the 2008 general election? Over what? I’m serious. I wasn’t paying attention at that time to know how she compared to Obama. By the time I was really watching, she was leagues better than trump, but back in 2008, I was a simple straight-ticket blue voter – doing my duty, punching my card every two years and feeling like I was helping.
(again my point is aimed at inform. Sell me on your point of view. I don’t think we’re enemies and there is a silent majority who agree on the end goal but maybe not the path.)
How is today’s situation on the shoulders of people who didn’t vote for Hillary in 2008’s Primary?
I know people who have succumbed to not good enough, and let some terrible people win. This is perhaps more pronounced locally, if you start looking, where a handful of votes is the difference between a socialist or liberal winning over a conservative or fascist.
I think this is only happening because capital does what capital does, and it tries to own the narrative. Berating people because the self-appointed leadership failed them is totally not a thing this community is trying to do. right?
So you would or would not have preferred Clinton in the 2008 general election?
Personally? I think it would have been a push. Possible for Hillary to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in '08 like she did in '16. But I think Dems still end up making all the same mistakes in '09/'10 and set themselves up for a GOP takeover of all those state and local offices two years later. These problems date back to the 1980s and the leadership has only doubled-down on them over the last forty years.
Obama had a unique opportunity to reinvent the party in 2009 and… didn’t. Hillary was a creature of the party and definitely wouldn’t have done any better. And the need to blame people outside the party for the miserable performance of leadership inside the party means we get Trumpism a little sooner (maybe even War with Iran a bit sooner).
I know people who have succumbed to not good enough, and let some terrible people win.
The notion that the naysayers are to blame for the Democratic Party’s lackluster performance is the reason the Democrats keep losing. They only ever know how to blame everyone else. Obama broke the trend in '08 (and kinda-sorta in '12) by rallying such a supermassive majority of support that the “Blame the Greens for our Failures!” caucus got drowned out by people applauding our first black president.
But over the long term, when corporate Dems pick candidates, what we really end up seeing is indie voters getting seduced by liberal-sounding Republicans not green candidates. Trump running as an anti-war candidate, Kasich and Bush Jr and Arnold Schwartzenagger running as “compassionate conservatives”, Chris Christie and Ron DeSantis running as “tough on corruption” prosecutors - they all play against the weaknesses of the Democratic Party.
Blaming The Left because you scared off all the unaligned voters is great for rallying BlueMAGA Democrats, but miserable for actually winning elections.
I think this is only happening because capital does what capital does
Capital plays both sides expertly. It’s very funny to see someone as dumb and racist as Elon Musk run circles around a guy supposedly as educated and savvy as Barack Obama, and yet that’s exactly what happened in 2009. Same with Zuckerberg and Thiel and Bezos. They all suck Democrats into their orbit, milk them for every penny they’re worth, and then toss them aside for the next GOP hotness. Hell, even Sam Bankrupt Fraud got the wool over Schumer and Gillibrand multiple times.
The only thing more stunning that Dem leaders who get hoodwinked like this are Dem voters who keep reelecting them.
So I think we’re aligned… or at least I’m coming to your side in my Liberal >> Left journey.
A commenter above said you left off the /s and that it was sometimes hard to tell. I went in defending Left from someone who thought that Hillary would have been significantly different from/better than Obama.
I’m assuming with “I think it would have been a push,” that you were not actually blaming Left (those here, not colloquial US democratic voters in aggregate) for the current problems, but maybe I’m still missing something.
I wrote up further discussion, but it took me too long to collect my thoughts and I think I missed my chance to have a reasonable window.
I did want to still follow up and say thanks for having this conversation with me, and for going into detail.
The entire system needs to be burned to the ground and built from scratch.
How do we stop it from happening again?
That’s the easy part. Remove corporate money from politics and severely punish any hint of corruption before it spreads.
It needs to be made very very clear that these assholes represent their constituents, not big business. Any district has the absolute authority to recall their representative at any point; no argument, no appeal. If they fight the recall, it’s treason and is punished as such.
The system isn’t without redemption. We’re only here because they forgot that they work for US. And we lost the wherewithal to make them remember that. Three…maybe four heads roll (literally), and they’ll remember how politics is supposed to work for the people.
For example: The moment Ted Cruz ran to Mexico and left his state in freezing temperatures, his own constituents should have dragged him from his mansion by his toenails and strung him up. If they did, you think the next person would try that shit? If we let them get away with it, they’ll keep doing it. Nip it in the bud right from the start. Get out of line and we’ve got no problem fucking your shit up.
Politicians need to be very afraid of their constituents.
Yup, people need to remember that violence is inherent to any governmental system. Which is why violence is needed to correct the system when it is out of whack.
Remove corporate money from politics and severely punish any hint of corruption before it spreads.
With capitalism? You’re asking for capitalism to reign again.
Politicians need to be very afraid of their constituents.
I am not so sure you know what that entails.
Oh I know precisely what that entails and I’m of the opinion that it’s well past time.
Then I hope your mutual aid group overshadows your state.💪
the system isn’t without redemption
But how many need to die to redeem such a basically shitty anti-democratic system in the first place? Is it worth it?
Call me a pessimist, but at this point we’re not getting out of this without a fair amount of death anyway one way or the other.
So we must spend those deaths redeeming the system. Yes. A better world is a nice thought, but not really possible. We must have anew red terror to elect kamala harris.
To make a steelman argument: frequently proposed reforms include eliminating the spoiler effect, which would force politicians to compete for best instead of second worst.
You are a traitor to the cause of harris-biden '28! OFF WITH THEIR HEAD
As long as private ownership of the economy is allowed, there will be money in politics. The actual permanent solution is to communalize the economy so that it benefits everyone, instead of just a few rich people who did nothing to deserve it.
To be honest, I actually disagree with that.
Private ownership isn’t the problem. CORPORATE ownership is.
When a company is no longer owned by humans and is instead owned by shareholders (who themselves are usually non-human hedgefunds, LLC’s, financial firms, etc…), and being run “Boards of Directors”; fat-cats who have no idea what real life is like and are entirely beholden to a stock price.
When humanity is removed so far from the capitalist equation as they are in corporations, we’ve lost the plot of what capitalism was supposed to be in the first place; human’s buying and selling from other human’s.
I usually like to use, as an example, my best and my worst jobs. I worked for a locally owned furniture store. The owner was awesome. He built the business ground up with his family. And he was a success. He paid me fairly, gave good benefits, treated me like family. Would just randomly pass out raises if things were good because he believed in sharing success with the people that helped him achieve it.
The very reason he could do this is because he wasn’t beholden to a stock price, or a Board of Directors, whose only legal mandate is to increase profit year over year. He was successful, in the multi-millionaire range. Could he have been even MORE successful (monetarily) if he didn’t give raises, or benefits, or paid vacations? Sure he could have. But that’s not what it was about.
Compare that to my worst job, working for a Telecom in Canada (frontline store manager, nothing major) and being told that no one was getting raises that year because the “company didn’t make any money”, even though I knew damn well that the company make 6 billion dollars. But the point was that, because at the beginning of the year, analysts forecast the company to make 7 billion, and because they didn’t make it, the stock price was going to take a hit, and holding back raises would at least mitigate that hit a little big. (This…by the way…is the moment that fully radicalized me against corporations).
We need more of the first example and the second is the part of the system that needs to be burned to the fucking ground with extreme prejudice.
Capitalism is not synonymous with markets. Humans have exchanged commodities with other humans long before capitalism began, and will do so for long after capitalism ends. Capitalism is literally just a specific mode of production where the means of production are owned by individuals.
Absolutely do not take any agency in your world, do not be considerate of others, and do not consider the consequences of your actions. Those things are for your betters to do.
I’d love to know the context here because I could see this being her saying they’re used to these company men saying they would never do xyz then just doing it anyway.
Like there’s nothing here that’s useful for anything more than rage bait.
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The context is Democrats don’t care for the working class anymore than Republicans do.
Well they seem to be the better option between the two, I’d rather have the Dem oligarchy than the GOP one.
Just for the record, I think we should literally round up the billionaires and redistribute their wealth by force after we execute them for destroying our society and world … But also yeah voting D is better.
Also that’s not context.
This just in, hot off the presses:
Capitalism gunna capitalism
The whorror!
But remember, it’s important to vote her when the time comes. You can talk about this moment in the primaries. But also, not too loudly or polarizing because we don’t want the Republicans to use the same points in the general election. And honestly, we should do it mostly in private and talk about how it was a tough decision where she had no real choices. And that it was good for Michigan because we need the jobs. So remember, this is a great move. She knows way better than the people what is good for them. Vote blue. No matter who.
I feel like you dropped the /s which might be confusing to the average reader who can’t see obvious sarcasm.
Am I getting down voted to hell? I turned that off in my app. I really thought my sarcasm was way over the top and didn’t need the /s. I honestly don’t know how anyone can read that and not think it’s sarcasm. But that’s a me problem.
It looks like you’re in the positive now. You were just a little too convincing.
That totally could have been a Facebook comment that wasn’t made sarcastically
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You can talk about this moment in the primaries. But also, not too loudly or polarizing because we don’t want the Republicans to use the same points in the general election. And honestly, we should do it mostly in private
Not real things that anyone ever says or does but ok
You need to vote blue or else you won’t have any choices later!
Our vote is a revolution
Hell yeah! Every vote is a little revolution! Off with their heads at the polls this fall!
The ballot box is our guillotine ironyc-anal!
“Democracy”
They all do as the AIPAC Uniparty demands and keep us infighting while the pedophile class enslaves all of humanity
Um, aktuly it’s called Harm Reduction, sweetie. 👻
You vote for the most liberal candidate on the ballot, and then you blame Far Left Russian-aligned non-voting communists for anything bad that happens.
Yep. Those damn far leftists who are too politically irrelevant to take seriously but SOMEHOW are able to make democrats lose elections.
Vote blue no matter who!
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Dont you know that the best way to ensure that we get a government that governs responsibly is to repeatedly express that we will vote for them no matter what their policies are?
And some people get surprised when people start becoming violent against these types
Sounds like she’s trying out for Florida governor.
Is that a bingo? irl
