The tech bros, or how I like to call the Theos online have a very misguided view, they have a specific interest, and a specific point. Usually to sell something.

From the last almost 15 years in the work I can say that maybe 10% of the products would ever need the JS framework of the day, mostly could be just a static page with some island of interactivity and some over the wire server render.

Things that we learned in 2000s with Ruby on Rails, and yet we reinvented the wheel.

So, it’s just sad to see the that current stat is yet broken, the tooling isn’t there, and worse, with AI we will have even more on this bad average.

Reading the other comments from you I notice this:

Japanese websites are really crap.

This is also racist.

Most news isnt static. Its an app and its a link embedded in an app. Blogs are not popular or relevant so idk why we are even talking about them. Substack has most of the market and its not a static site.

What? Do you have any data to support that? Because I do, “blog”, or any “news” page have way more traffic that you think about it, ask Cloudflare. And they are (the good ones) mostly static. So review you own concepts. Because you are wrong.

Ecommerce could not be static without major regressions to usablity.

Ask Amazon, most of their pages are static. They have island of interactivity, but the page for the product is static. So I think you have no idea what you are talking about.

I do live in a place with fast internet but we are talking about future and I think its stupid to build a future web for people who have slow internet when all the trends point to increasing internet speeds and connection around the world. I’m sure Africa doesnt want to finally get online and see everything be a static site.

You can run discord off a mobile data connection, when Africa builds out their Internet infra they will prefer services like discord over low bandwidth stripped down barebones services.

Man this is racist.

I can’t even talk on this topic, and I’m disgusted by your view. You have no idea what you are talking about.

the future web doesnt need to care about a 1mb page or a 10mb page. It only matters what you can do. Static site can do very little. You can’t have Lemmy as static site and Lemmy is an example of what I think future web could be. Open, interconnected, full of features and QoL. Lemmy gives you the things reddit tries to sell you.

Again you are wrong. And from the level of arguments provided, there is very little we can discuss.

Ps.: The world don’t care about the future, just check the price of RAM and we can talk about performance and use less and do more.

You are so wrong in this assumption. You barely touched the tip of the iceberg behind the small web movement.

Most of the static sites dont even need to be websites.

Are you suggesting that we shouldn’t have a page? That my blog isn’t important enough to exist?

The baker does not need a website.

What is the baker want’s to have a footprint online, maybe adding his working schedule? Maybe adding some historical information about the bakery? Or even information for requesting a special bakery? Isn’t this important?

Good website or bad website makes little to no difference. Its fine if they want to have a single static page with some info and a contact email im not saying they need anything good. But if every site was like that the internet would be worse than it is today.

Not sure if I follow this, but prefer the things stays the way they are. With pages using 10mb of frameworks without any need, with pages that loads a “loader” to load the page? Because this is the reason why the internet is ugly and broken.

If this is the case, I not only disagree with you, but I think you should experience the web, look for local pages and see how good or bad they can be.

Not sure if I can agree with that.

I would say that most of the internet is static by definition, even my blog is a static page with some CDN to make it faster. Most of the news pages are static, most of blogs should be static, most of the e-commerce should be static (the product page is static, not the purchase itself),

You may live in a place where internet is fast, but the majority of the world still breaths in 3G, with unstable connections and a miserable experience, so a 10mb page (I’m looking to you stupid Discord), could be a 1mb page, if wasn’t the bloat.

Jokes aside, XMPP could be something usefull for us in this day and age.

If you are talking semantic on the linguistic view… Yeah a lot of people can read, but can’t understand the other. If you are talking about html, you are also correct… You know what… You are just correct…

Dammit, this reply is already contracting myself!

I’ll heavily disagree with you.

All the modern web, using the modern frameworks, for the modern browser, that requires modern hardware, for a modern person… I hove you got the gist just by this phrase.

We can use less and still be usefull. Most of the web is static. The bakery don’t need to render a unique page for you just because you are from the same country. The same way that the news feed don’t need to regenerate the page every request, it can keep the old news there, until a new post arives, so clean the cache and hit a new one.

Notice that I’m not talking about pages like a mail application, figma or discord. I’m talking about the majority of the web, most are static, won’t need this.

Maybe would be a cool thing for ya to look on the small web moviment, it’s a pretty interesting idea, and can show that static pages can be cool, even knowing that they aren’t the “common place”.

You are so angry, do you want a hug?

My “to go” tool of the day is Alpine.js, fills a similar void, but the focus is on the client side, the botton idea is the same.

Fair point. But very little nitt-picky, right?

Depends on how much do you want to tradeoff on this.

The “easiest” way will always incur in some extra files, or unused shite. When I started, Bootstrap were the only acceptable thing, yesterday were Tailwind, and soon will be “what the AI spits on your face”…

So, a custom styling will always be “best options”, but this depends on your level of understanding on the web, and if CSS isn’t on your bucket list, leave for the ones that have this on the bucket list.

(Sorry for not having a silver bullet for this)

This is the point we disagree.

Small pockets of freedom can help, this won’t solve the global crisis, but will provide for the communities^[1] the needed force. Also, this can help groups to better organize and waste the least amount of money, effort and mind these.

Doing nothing right now will not change anything, and doing anything, even the small actions is the starting point for the next thing.

I’ll use myself as example, even knowing that this isn’t the perfect one, I started with the homelab because Amazon stole something from me, and I decided the that was enough. Now I can see that the hardware is cheap^[2], software is pretty much everywhere, federated or open-sourced (even better if it’s AGPL) and the next point is increase the range, for the smaller groups of people around the house, expanding for the neighbors to embark in this.

Sadly the post isn’t about this.
I do discuss the work-life balance, the egregious ways that big tech and major companies robs people from their lives. My focus is to provide a bigger area for the “federated way”, even knowing that using this term is already wrong…

But I mostly agree with you, just can’t see how coop will solve the deeper structural problems, will solve some of the problems, not all of the problems.

I couldnt have said this better.

I have never heard of NymVPN… and I’m impressed (I’m using a similar type of VPN), it’s interesting to see that more and more people are moving to the decentralized networks.

The crypto acceptance if a wierd point, since crypto for me is always a scam until it’s not. So the moment I saw the crypto thing I was like: “ohhh nice, another scam…”, but it’s closer to the freedom of nation option instead of the scam attempt.

But this is still a centralized thing, what I want is the Onion routing, but people invested in this should have a better degree of control, instead of pure anonymous users. But this is the tug of war in this (privacy vs control), the more private it is, the less control you have over it, and, to be honest I don’t know which point would be the best in this scale.

This is yet another solution for the money problem, but my focus isn’t on the money, but on the “who actually have a say” on the direction, and focus.

For sure, I would prefer national money over venture capital every day of the week, and twice on Sunday, but the problem is on the governance and not on the economics.

No. I think you lost the context. I would recommend to read also the links n this post.

What is your definition of “free live”?

Protocol solves this issue. And reason why takes so long for a protocol to establish.