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I don’t care about “changing habits”. I just don’t want people that I care about being exploited and manipulated like that

If ya want people to stop using big tech, you have to change their habits. You can’t change it, they have built their network, found old friends…maybe one day but most of them aren’t attracted by the fediverse.

I want to have the equivalent of LinkedIn lunatics, and personal coaches and all that crap that one can find on Instagram/TikTok/Facebook.

How do you handle this part with the above one (exploited, manipulated) ? I don’t want them. I will leave or ask for defederation.

I enjoy this place as it is. It doesn’t need to be bigger. Once you remove it, i think plenty people will leave and create their own forum elsewhere as we did for Reddit.

You may not like how I expressed my opinion, but that doesn’t mean that I need to agree or comply.

Well that’s part of the problem and i’m just doing my job. I don’t expect you to change that quickly. It’s not my thought alone

When I talk about the shortcomings of the Fediverse and the lack of ambition of the developers, it’s because I’ve already got lots of people in here, but the overwhelming majority of them ended up going back to the proprietary platforms because there simply isn’t enough interests/interesting people. It tries so hard to reject mainstream and “normies” that it ends up feeling hostile to them. The majority of people are not interested in being lectured 24/7 by patronizing tweenies.

Well i had the same experience and i’m older than twenty year old. :)

My role isn’t to force them using free software or being part of the fediverse movement. I present software, show them how it works. I contact association, governement…explain them the problem, show newpapers, present solutions and it’s up to them to change their habits. We can’t change people habits except if governement decide to takes actions to protect our freedom and rights.

You don’t have to take it personally. They prefer big tech, so let them use big tech.

My goal is not to convince Rimu or any of the people working on PieFed to change their minds. I know they won’t. I’m not trying to win any argument here. I’m talking in a public forum, giving my opinion, so that others can have a contrasting point of view

My goal as a moderator/piefed staff is to make you understand that the way you shared your arguments/opinion is not okay. It’s not about telling the truth, the truth doesn’t have to be harsh, blunt…that’s a false belief. You can be nice and share your knownledge/opinion. And i gave you several options.

I want to make this place as useful and universal as the centralized platforms. But I find this line of reasoning quite strange, to be frank. Do you think that people should only be here if they are willing to conform to a certain set of values?

Well i’m part of the Kittens : https://chatons.org/ I meet people IRL and tell them about the fediverse, and show them how they work, i did 2 conferences on Piefed to newcomers last summer. I also did the wiki of Piefed.

I’m not only acting in the fediverse and the web but i’m also there IRL, where most of people use big tech. If you want to make this place useful and universal as centralized platforms, i think the best way to change people is telling them about the fediverse IRL, not here beside technical stuff or ui.

I had more people being brutally honestly and calling me out, to bring me back to reality. The worst thing is to when people say they want “feedback”, but are only willing to listen to those who validate or fake-support them.

That’s nit my point. If anyone were brutally honnest the world wouldn’t be better because you do hurt people. They will stop being in contact with you.

So what’s the point telling them all this ? You argument fell into a pit. S i gave you some tips to keep interaction with people and sharing your opinion and your technical knowledge without being harsh.

You don’t have to be harsh to tell the truth.

All of the “features” you are giving as “superior” are meaningless, if the Fediverse is only interesting/useful for 0.1% of the overall population. I don’t care about moral superiority. I will not consider the Fediverse “beyond” anything on any front until TikTok, Reddit, Instagram, Bluesky, et al are irrelevant as tools for mass communication.

So why are you here ? What’s the piint of being here if they are “superior”. I’m sorry, i disagree with you, it answered the need of bilkions people and i’m convaincing people IRL to migrate on these platform. They are happy to know that there is alternative to gafam.

And lastly, being able to see video from another service wasn’t possibke before. It’s the first time i see something like this thank to activitypub protocole. It’s amazing. So please stop.

Social media “platforms” are bad by its very nature and chasing this idea that we can “fix” them by making open source versions of them is a fool’s errand.

Well, the fediverse is already beyond proprietary platform :

• IA content is restricted
• moderation action is in the modlog and transparency
• there is not ads
• we have some collective created to make a media network suntainable for anyone accessible to everyone.
• piefed offer other mean to the binary voting system
• maybe people are looking for similar software ?

The threadiverse is already beyond proprietary software thank to those many people building the fediverse.

why can’t we duplicate well loved proprietary platform ? We are following people needs and also slowly try to create something different by listening to people feedback. For example : we can watch peertube video. Later we will be able to use mobilizon, funkwhale…

Lastly, please, i understand that you are passionate about it but i don’t want to see this kind of critizism for any software, whatever they are :

PieFed as just a pile of hacks with no serious consideration for the Fediverse

It’s rude toward peopke who invested so much effort and gave their time to build it. It is inconsiderate. You can write a critize but without insulting people and convey your thoughts.

For example :

I disagree with piefed devlopment because their will be problem with activityPub interporability. My concern is…

(Sorry, i’m bad at understand technical detail, i can discuss over these matter)

And why i insist telling you that ?

That’s the key are in argument, discussion : people will listen to your point.

Lastly, the hardest part is also to listen what the other side say about this. It’s very difficult to listen even for myself as part of piefed’s staff. It’s not black and white, there is lot shade of colors :)

It’s this kind of thinig that makes me think of PieFed as just a pile of hacks with no serious consideration for the Fediverse

Was it necessary ? I invite you to rewritte.

Hi, i really, really invite you to use piefed git in Codeberg and open an issue here.

Why ? Because it will be easier for piefed dev to track your feedback and organize it for the next update.

As for the emoji functionality, iceshrimp/mastoon already use them. I’m not well versed on the technical side.

We call them threadiverse or forumverse.

They are very different.

Currently Lemmy lacks lot features compared to PieFed and Mbin.

• Mbin support mastodon, tag, change link to link’s title, customization…sorry i don’t know well Mbin but it is a good software :)
• Piefed support tag, flair, multicommunity, temporary filters, i read the article, block downvote from people who aren’t subcribed to community…
• Lemmy was there before PieFed. So it was my first software they have lot apps, lot UI.

Anyway, i recommend you testing them so you can get a better understanding on their pro and cons :)