Having two entities that harass and kill you isn’t better than having one of those, even if they fight each other. It will not bring less suffering to you, but frequently brings more.
You can support hamas at the level of their resistance to colonialism. Just like you can support Maduro at the level of the resistance to imperialist aggressions.
Support doesnt need to be absolute. But just supporting the palestinians without support for their flawed means of resistance is pointless, demobilising, weakening…
Exactly that yes, and another point is that the IOF are objectively the terorrists in every single comparison matrics and every accusation and war crime claim against Hamas.
And last point you can’t for example say I’m against aparthied, slavery, genocide and occuption, but then condemn the occupied right to resist.
You can support hamas at the level of their resistance to colonialism
How about supporting anti-colonialism without supporting murderers on either side. Seriously, you don’t need to latch onto bad people to fight bad people.
I don’t know who needs to read this affirmation out there but here we go, repeat after me:
Whats your great moral plan of action for the people dying in gaza?
You can say that pro-terrorist sentiment is bad without having all the answers for how to fucking solve the middle-east conflict that’s going on longer than either of us have been alive. This is a bad-faith response because you don’t know how to actually defend the idea and I won’t see another response from you. Go ahead and play to the crowd, maybe you’ll get an updoot.
edit: I find it absolutely fascinating how only in posts about Gaza/Israel, both on larger sites like reddit and here on lemmy, you can make a statement or appeal for peace and humanity that gets popular support immediately, but then as days stretch on, the same comment or post will continue to gain downvotes without any actual response or pushback, just like they’re on some kind of ticker… you know, spreading it out so automated bot-catchers don’t catch on.
You might almost think some wealthy superpowers are working to frame a narrative and control what people feel and think.
Wow be sure to send that video you watched to the IDF because nobody has been able to find any evidence of rape happening by Hamas. They will be very happy with your contribution.
Taking prisoners of war is extremely legal. The POWs should have considered not living on military bases literally created as a shield to surpress concentration camp breakouts.
That would mean that you would have been against indiginous resistance as a whole since their resistance was not always completely clean, same with Nat Turner, same with Mandela and his anc party , same with some jewish resistances group against Hitler since some tried to poison water suply .
Hamas’ actions aim to stop exactly that… an ongoing genocide to be more precise. Acting cleanly, morally, requires a strength that they dont have. This is what they can afford to do. Should they just die silently instead? while the world watches almost immobile?
I do not condone the persecution and execution of innocents but I do not reject Palestinians or any other population right to resistance despite war crimes. Once occupation end I support persecuting war criminals from both side . Your bullshit make it looks like palestians should drop all kind of valid armed resistance because of war crimes so israel continue exterminating them slowly
Go check palestinians support for Hamas it is higher than PA not because Hamas is that perfect or because they are islamists but because they are the one replying to the terrorist settlers attacking palestinians and mass expulsions. I support only the resistance against military target which Hamas did and oppose Hamas killing civilians which they also did.
If palestine is liberated I do not support them being in power and even support those alive who comited crimes to be held in justice along with isrsaeli war criminals.
Your simplistic view will only allow Israel to exterminate Palestine with no resistance. Israel will always be the worse faction not Hamas
Also please do not selectively read this comment and do not act like I support the murder of civilians
You also can be against the IDF and against Hamas and still support Palestinians.
No, you cannot support Palestinians who are being genocided by denying their right to armed self defense.
Having two entities that harass and kill you isn’t better than having one of those, even if they fight each other. It will not bring less suffering to you, but frequently brings more.
You can support hamas at the level of their resistance to colonialism. Just like you can support Maduro at the level of the resistance to imperialist aggressions.
Support doesnt need to be absolute. But just supporting the palestinians without support for their flawed means of resistance is pointless, demobilising, weakening…
Exactly that yes, and another point is that the IOF are objectively the terorrists in every single comparison matrics and every accusation and war crime claim against Hamas.
And last point you can’t for example say I’m against aparthied, slavery, genocide and occuption, but then condemn the occupied right to resist.
How about supporting anti-colonialism without supporting murderers on either side. Seriously, you don’t need to latch onto bad people to fight bad people.
I don’t know who needs to read this affirmation out there but here we go, repeat after me:
Good things are good, bad things are bad.
Great, lets fight colonialism by repeating tautologies out loud. Whats your great moral plan of action for the people dying in gaza?
You can say that pro-terrorist sentiment is bad without having all the answers for how to fucking solve the middle-east conflict that’s going on longer than either of us have been alive. This is a bad-faith response because you don’t know how to actually defend the idea and I won’t see another response from you. Go ahead and play to the crowd, maybe you’ll get an updoot.
edit: I find it absolutely fascinating how only in posts about Gaza/Israel, both on larger sites like reddit and here on lemmy, you can make a statement or appeal for peace and humanity that gets popular support immediately, but then as days stretch on, the same comment or post will continue to gain downvotes without any actual response or pushback, just like they’re on some kind of ticker… you know, spreading it out so automated bot-catchers don’t catch on.
You might almost think some wealthy superpowers are working to frame a narrative and control what people feel and think.
You would have condemned Nelson Mandela and the ANC
So your plan is
I dunno but not like that
Great thanks.
Good is good. Bad is bad.
No middle ground. No shades of grey. No nuance.
Turns out it’s a shit affirmation.
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Wow be sure to send that video you watched to the IDF because nobody has been able to find any evidence of rape happening by Hamas. They will be very happy with your contribution.
Are you saying that nothing happened on the 7th of October?
Justified resistance against violent genocidal occupation happened on october 7. And zero rape.
October 7 involved the deliberate killing and kidnapping of civilians. That is not “resistance” under international law.
Under Geneva Convention (ironically) IV: • Article 27 prohibits rape and sexual violence. • Article 32 prohibits murder of protected civilians. • Article 34 prohibits hostage-taking.
Multiple independent investigations have documented sexual violence. Denying it does not make it disappear.
Zero independent investigations have taken place because Israel has blocked them all. Because all rape accusations have been proven baseless lies.
Taking prisoners of war is extremely legal. The POWs should have considered not living on military bases literally created as a shield to surpress concentration camp breakouts.
Yeah, ok, no. We’re not disagreeing on interpretation. You’re rejecting documented facts and redefining terms to make them fit your position.
That would mean that you would have been against indiginous resistance as a whole since their resistance was not always completely clean, same with Nat Turner, same with Mandela and his anc party , same with some jewish resistances group against Hitler since some tried to poison water suply .
I will not condone persecution and execution of innocents, no matter how you turn it.
You would have condemned the Warsaw Ghetto uprising
Hamas’ actions aim to stop exactly that… an ongoing genocide to be more precise. Acting cleanly, morally, requires a strength that they dont have. This is what they can afford to do. Should they just die silently instead? while the world watches almost immobile?
I do not condone the persecution and execution of innocents but I do not reject Palestinians or any other population right to resistance despite war crimes. Once occupation end I support persecuting war criminals from both side . Your bullshit make it looks like palestians should drop all kind of valid armed resistance because of war crimes so israel continue exterminating them slowly
It worked so well for the Taliban. Now it’s all rosy and dainty under their regime, especially for women. I bet Hamas would be different.
Hamas is not Palestine.
Go check palestinians support for Hamas it is higher than PA not because Hamas is that perfect or because they are islamists but because they are the one replying to the terrorist settlers attacking palestinians and mass expulsions. I support only the resistance against military target which Hamas did and oppose Hamas killing civilians which they also did.
If palestine is liberated I do not support them being in power and even support those alive who comited crimes to be held in justice along with isrsaeli war criminals.
Your simplistic view will only allow Israel to exterminate Palestine with no resistance. Israel will always be the worse faction not Hamas
Also please do not selectively read this comment and do not act like I support the murder of civilians
Weren’t there dozens of friendly fire casualties too?
Do you not know what propaganda is?
You can pretend to support Palestinians while not actually supporting them*
Can you? How are you supporting Palestinians?
By supporting the Palestinian Authority and the PLO
I assume you’re joking
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