Only catch is, one of these people is the target of CIA hit squads and the other gets a standing ovation in the US Capital.
Like, you can’t talk to me about influence peddling and not talk about J-Street. Let me know when Washington DC has an R-Street and we can talk about their relative influence.
one of these people is the target of CIA hit squads
Allegedly. Its not clear to me Trump sees either of these people as opponents. Everything Israel does coordinates with Russias goals, and vice versus. They might not be coordinating but the outcomes might as well be.
By putting a mediocre level of effort into paying attention into world events and world politics, and then analyzing those events.
Its miraculous what putting in even a basic level of effort does. I highly recommend.
Here’s a visual example that shows how Israel thinks of itself, displaying what I’m talking about (another lemming posted this earlier in the thread, cant for the life of me remember whom):
I mean, I wasn’t impressed with Obama, but I did vote against Trump every time. The reason that Trump won is because Americans are terrible at spotting propaganda, are racist, worship the rich, can’t tell the difference between tv and reality, and what an instant gratification economy and Trump promised that. They would rather go along with the lie they want to heard rather than the truth they don’t want to hear.
Putin and many other people saw they could use Trump to further their ends. That also includes Israel and the billionaire class. A lot of money got pumped into marketing Trump. Putin’s been backing Trump since his bankruptcy problems and he was just a way to launder money, but when Trump was slighted by a Black man and decided to run for office, Putin saw an opportunity to divide America. When Trump won, he saw an opportunity to take Ukraine.
Looks like you drank the entire bucket of us propaganda. Liberals that see Russia everywhere is to distract you from the failures of their political party. The politicians that screamed Russia the loudest are the ones that had taken the largest amounts of money from AIPAC. Israel is by far the larger threat to us elections.
A few 100 memes on Facebook didn’t have any impact on elections. Russia didn’t fund TV ads or campaign for him. The Russia hysteria coming from oligarchs is to give you a Boogeyman so they can be your savior
Do you have a reference for a credible study? Since the youth who watches TikTok isn’t that numerous and doesn’t vote that much, how could that have such an influence?
Also how could Russia buy propaganda on Facebook without US approval? The US is doing regime changes all over the world. Why should they make such a Rooky mistake and hand over the presidency at home?
This country is so politically divided that no amount of Facebook memes is going to change a Democrat voter to a Republican or vice versa. Democrats have a history of propping up pieces of shit as candidates and then are shocked when people don’t support their pieces of shit based on them having a shitty history and then blame Russia.
How could Russia trick American billionaires into supporting a candidate that undermines their global ambitions?
Simple, by propaganda. Or did you think billionaires were immune? I’d say they are even more vulnerable because they surround themselves with yes men that agree with anything they say. Sprinkle that with a ton of blackmail and you got yourself a russian asset.
May even use their greed for profit against them, whether it is from the war industry, exotic metals, or plain old deals. They will get their share and destroy democracy if it is in the way.
Inside the US, there’s a pretty substantial amount of pro-Russia propaganda. For years the NRA was a dominant force in politics and it was completely compromised by Russia. The current US president is a Russian asset. Etc etc.
Israel is by far the larger threat to us elections
I’m not sure about “by far”, but it doesn’t really matter. Two things can be true at the same time. Israel and Russia are both significant threats to the US, both have obtained substantial control over US politicians, and both are threats to their neighbors.
And also there’s overlap because Israel and Russia are partially aligned. (See for example how reluctant Israel has been to offer any support to Ukraine.)
Russia isn’t “harmless” if we’re having a conversation about capitalist incentives and imperialist interest and how they result in global conflicts were the working class suffer the consequences.
But if you hear mainstream media start to cry “but Russia” you should see that as a HUGE red flag.
There is no comparing “Russian Influence” to the extension of US imperialism that is the Israeli colonial project. That’s ridiculous.
I think the only silly thing we do is pretend that Israel is “controlling America”. No, Israel does the the absolute worst things in the interest of American Imperialism; that even the American oligarchs want to distance themselves from.
NATO and the USA have lost the Hybrid War launched by Russia in March 2013.
The CIA has unlimited budget, that installed nazis in Georgia (instigated separatist movement within weeks) 2008 and Ukraine (smartly avoided immediate Russian liberation of Donbas seperatism to delay with peace talks) 2014. The hybrid war accusation against Russia is projection for the high intensity propaganda (hybrid war) on the west to support Russophobia.
Western divisiveness is mostly a function of western wackos. Be angry at the wackos without making you try to hate Russia instead of the wackos.
I mean dude, you made a Lemmy post of an instagram post of a Twitter post of a news article headline. Not exactly authoritative either. Don’t be a fucking hypocrite.
Reading comprehension please. Did I say they were equal? Did I say they used the same methods?
Think for a moment before you respond. Your incapability to reason critically about this topic makes your argument look weak even though I’m fucking agreeing with you.
It’s both. Don’t pretend Russia is harmless.
Only catch is, one of these people is the target of CIA hit squads and the other gets a standing ovation in the US Capital.
Like, you can’t talk to me about influence peddling and not talk about J-Street. Let me know when Washington DC has an R-Street and we can talk about their relative influence.
Allegedly. Its not clear to me Trump sees either of these people as opponents. Everything Israel does coordinates with Russias goals, and vice versus. They might not be coordinating but the outcomes might as well be.
Where do you get this stuff?
By putting a mediocre level of effort into paying attention into world events and world politics, and then analyzing those events.
Its miraculous what putting in even a basic level of effort does. I highly recommend.
Here’s a visual example that shows how Israel thinks of itself, displaying what I’m talking about (another lemming posted this earlier in the thread, cant for the life of me remember whom):
:-/
Oh no! What could this mean?!
That Putin doesn’t like being so short. Or you know, he’s really unhappy with not being able to manipulate Obama. Probably short as well.
Reading this, it’s very easy to understand how Trump won.
I mean, I wasn’t impressed with Obama, but I did vote against Trump every time. The reason that Trump won is because Americans are terrible at spotting propaganda, are racist, worship the rich, can’t tell the difference between tv and reality, and what an instant gratification economy and Trump promised that. They would rather go along with the lie they want to heard rather than the truth they don’t want to hear.
Putin and many other people saw they could use Trump to further their ends. That also includes Israel and the billionaire class. A lot of money got pumped into marketing Trump. Putin’s been backing Trump since his bankruptcy problems and he was just a way to launder money, but when Trump was slighted by a Black man and decided to run for office, Putin saw an opportunity to divide America. When Trump won, he saw an opportunity to take Ukraine.
The person you are replying to posted that image.
Lol I spent way to long trying to figure out why putin had an epaulette on
Why is the same guy in that picture twice?
/yes, I know
Bruh we’re literally sending billions annually to Israel so they can then turn it around and bribe our politicians to get more.
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Americans continue to be categorically unable to admit fault for anything without blaming it on evil foreigners.
Looks like you drank the entire bucket of us propaganda. Liberals that see Russia everywhere is to distract you from the failures of their political party. The politicians that screamed Russia the loudest are the ones that had taken the largest amounts of money from AIPAC. Israel is by far the larger threat to us elections.
I think something the Epstein files are showing us is that they’re the same threat.
Fascists globally, are the threat, regardless of the government they’ve commandeered.
Oh, so McCheetoh has no connections to Russia? And Russia clearly has not directly benefited from his actions?
Don’t get me wrong, AIPAC can burn in the deepest layers of hell; but pretending Russia is harmless is just beyond the pale.
A few 100 memes on Facebook didn’t have any impact on elections. Russia didn’t fund TV ads or campaign for him. The Russia hysteria coming from oligarchs is to give you a Boogeyman so they can be your savior
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Do you have a reference for a credible study? Since the youth who watches TikTok isn’t that numerous and doesn’t vote that much, how could that have such an influence?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_United_States_presidential_elections
Also how could Russia buy propaganda on Facebook without US approval? The US is doing regime changes all over the world. Why should they make such a Rooky mistake and hand over the presidency at home?
This country is so politically divided that no amount of Facebook memes is going to change a Democrat voter to a Republican or vice versa. Democrats have a history of propping up pieces of shit as candidates and then are shocked when people don’t support their pieces of shit based on them having a shitty history and then blame Russia.
Accusing others of falling for propaganda while denying that trump is a russian assett is very funny.
That’s like denying that israel is committing genocide while israelis very openly call for genocide.
You mean like what Democrats have done the last few years?
Yes. That’s what i meant. I thought that was pretty clear.
Your denial that trump is a russian asset is a willful denial of reality on par with americans who deny that israel’s genocide is a genocide.
Trump is a capitalist asset chosen by the same donor class that chose Biden and every president before them.
Pro Russia is pro multipolar world is pro China.
How could Russia trick American billionaires into supporting a candidate that undermines their global ambitions?
The US billionaires can push for an impeachment at any time. Trump must be their candidate.
Simple, by propaganda. Or did you think billionaires were immune? I’d say they are even more vulnerable because they surround themselves with yes men that agree with anything they say. Sprinkle that with a ton of blackmail and you got yourself a russian asset.
May even use their greed for profit against them, whether it is from the war industry, exotic metals, or plain old deals. They will get their share and destroy democracy if it is in the way.
Maybe a dozen fall for his charm but his gaudy style can’t convince the billionaires like it convinces the masses.
American workers can’t unionize at Starbucks. That’s one billionaire. Putin can’t have managed to outwit all 1,000 billionaires.
Nothing that Putin can offer can compensate American billionaires for losing hegemonial power.
American billionaires destroy democracy. But it is for them, not Putin.
Nobody said which threat was larger. But it is absolutely stupid to have such a one-track mind when it comes to danger. Have a little nuance.
Inside the US, there’s a pretty substantial amount of pro-Russia propaganda. For years the NRA was a dominant force in politics and it was completely compromised by Russia. The current US president is a Russian asset. Etc etc.
I’m not sure about “by far”, but it doesn’t really matter. Two things can be true at the same time. Israel and Russia are both significant threats to the US, both have obtained substantial control over US politicians, and both are threats to their neighbors.
And also there’s overlap because Israel and Russia are partially aligned. (See for example how reluctant Israel has been to offer any support to Ukraine.)
Israel doesn’t support Ukraine because of the war going in Ukraine is in the interest of the US.
Russia isn’t “harmless” if we’re having a conversation about capitalist incentives and imperialist interest and how they result in global conflicts were the working class suffer the consequences.
But if you hear mainstream media start to cry “but Russia” you should see that as a HUGE red flag.
There is no comparing “Russian Influence” to the extension of US imperialism that is the Israeli colonial project. That’s ridiculous.
I think the only silly thing we do is pretend that Israel is “controlling America”. No, Israel does the the absolute worst things in the interest of American Imperialism; that even the American oligarchs want to distance themselves from.
Let us know of the Russian PACs able to funnel millions into election campaigns
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The CIA has unlimited budget, that installed nazis in Georgia (instigated separatist movement within weeks) 2008 and Ukraine (smartly avoided immediate Russian liberation of Donbas seperatism to delay with peace talks) 2014. The hybrid war accusation against Russia is projection for the high intensity propaganda (hybrid war) on the west to support Russophobia.
Western divisiveness is mostly a function of western wackos. Be angry at the wackos without making you try to hate Russia instead of the wackos.
i despise Russia for destroying the world like they have. fucking evil.
Russia Russia Russia,
I mean, he’s citing sources, you’re just whining. Put your sources up if you want anyone to listen to you.
Washington Post and BBC? Surely they dont have a vested interest in US hegemony
I mean dude, you made a Lemmy post of an instagram post of a Twitter post of a news article headline. Not exactly authoritative either. Don’t be a fucking hypocrite.
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Reading comprehension please. Did I say they were equal? Did I say they used the same methods?
Think for a moment before you respond. Your incapability to reason critically about this topic makes your argument look weak even though I’m fucking agreeing with you.