NYT, WaPO,etc…
LOL those are your credible US regime sources?
Man you’re a clown.
Also you’re switching accounts again, Eglin Airforce Base incompetence
It’s a US REGIME SOURCE.
Even worse than the regime press mouthpieces.
Obviously far from impartial.
And I’m not wasting my time reading all that.
But even then, If you actually read it I’m sure you can show me EVIDENCE for just one of all these claims I’m prepared to hear it.
As I asked 3 times and you failed to provide it 3 times.
Right–it has every interest in making it seem like the government’s not being affected by outside interests. They’re not impartial–they’re biased in the other direction. And they still admit that the Russian government interfered in US elections.
Are you even listening to yourself?
If you actually read it I’m sure you can show me EVIDENCE for just one of all these claims
I provided a whole list of evidence that you discarded because it didn’t meet with your purity test. But sure, here’s more. The Mueller Report includes documents that:
report a Russian operative calling their work on the 2016 US election “information warfare”;
show how Russia actually began operations in the US to destabilize the 2016 election two years earlier;
detail the fake social media accounts that promoted Trump or divided Americans using fake hashtags like “#KidsForTrump”;
give evidence for the IRA setting up a 2015 Confederate rally in Houston, as well as a 2016 Trump rally in Miami which Trump himself promoted;
prove that the GRU hacked the DNC and the Clinton campaign, releasing files to WikiLeaks–in one case, only five hours after Trump publicly asked them to do so;
record a Trump associate’s email to Michael Cohen: “Buddy, our boy can become president of the USA, and we can engineer it. I will get all of Putin’s team to buy in on this.”
Plus, outside of the Mueller Report, the Roger Stone, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, and Paul Manafort cases include, on the record, evidence of Russian collusion.
So I’m not sure what else I can tell you here. It’s pretty well-established and clear that Russia has been working to influence US elections for at least a decade now. To pretend otherwise would require some absolutely wild rejection of unbiased facts.
Now, none of this means that Israel isn’t also trying to influence US elections. They very clearly are. But more than one country can be doing such a thing.
Right–it has every interest in making it seem like the government’s not being affected by outside interests. They’re not impartial–they’re biased in the other direction. And they still admit that the Russian government interfered in US elections.
Poor thing, doesn’t even understand how his banana republic works even if it has been the same scam since the beginning and already mocked by Marx in 1870.
Despite the theater of both of your Uniparty **the main elements are eternal and bipartisan. ** :
Imperialism, war,murdering brown people while looting their countries, support for oligarchs, banks and the shitraeli genocide state ARE BIPARTISAN.
In case you also didn’t notice, warmongering against Russia has full support of Genocide Joe, Copmala or whatever fascist-lite side may be in charge.
They ALL want to use anything they can invent against Russia.
And clearly you don’t even know what evidence or facts is.
It’s** pretty well-established** and clear that Russia has been working to influence US elections for at least a decade now. To pretend otherwise would require some absolutely wild rejection of** unbiased facts.**
Your little AI somation of what a report says is not facts/evidence.
That has as much value as your regime press spouting its usual garbage on the basis of ‘it is believed’ ‘sources say’ ‘officials have said’.
on the record, evidence of Russian collusion.
And here we go again, SHOW ME THAT ‘RECORD’ you are referring to, not the CLAIMS.
So I’m not sure what else I can tell you here
Not much since I’m not interested in you telling me stuff if it’s not backed up by evidence.
All of you have failed to provide even 1 piece.
I’m sure Russia does a lot of stuff against the US (rightfully) but IU know from experience a lot of stuff in the US/EU press is invented and laughable.
And why would they support 1 candidate over the other when they both are warmongering Russophobes (as mentioned before).
Trump even unilaterally ended the INF treaties, seen as a wild and agressive and dangerous decision.
He fully backed the ukros and still does. Literally at war with Russia by proxy.
Despite all these FACTS (I can back those up) the embarrassing conspiracy level claim that he is a Russian agent is seen as true in your clown country.
Anyway enough about this.
The US is circling the drain with or without foreign influence.
That is the most important and optimistic fact.
Despite their violent lashing out at everything like a cornered cat their time has come.
The world will be a better place when that cancer is finally removed.
Your little AI somation of what a report says is not facts/evidence.
I told you what’s there and where you can verify it. You can go find it or not. I’m not doing homework for you, and it’s not in an easily copy/pastable format. So go look it up yourself or stop whining.
SHOW ME THAT ‘RECORD’ you are referring to
I just did. It’s on you to verify that what I–and every actual journalist (including journalists in Europe) who’s looked at it–am saying is in there. I’m not following your moving goalposts anymore. Believe it or don’t, but the truth (as well as we can know it) is available to you. It can be known.
Trump […] wild and agressive and dangerous
Look, you’re not going to need to convince me that Trump is a dangerous person in this whole misadventure.
the embarrassing conspiracy level claim that he is a Russian agent
I never said that he was a Russian agent. I said that the Russian government committed election fraud to get him elected; there’s a big difference. Was it to destabilize the US and weaken its power on the world stage? Maybe. If so, it worked. Was it to get a sympathetic ear into the White House? Maybe. If so, it probably didn’t work. Was it to install a dangerous and chaotic leader as a pretext for war? Quite possibly! and if so, it’s going swimmingly.
The US is circling the drain with or without foreign influence.
No argument from me there. This would’ve happened eventually, Russia or no Russia. I’m just saying they sped things up.
Oh, you’re one of those. So when you say “credible source,” what you really mean is “source I already agree with.” Meaning that, to you, there is no credible source. I guess that means no, there is no proof that will satisfy you. Cool. You’ve just religioned your way into unfalsifiability, I guess.
you’re switching accounts again
Sure, believe what you want to believe. Clearly I have multiple sock puppet accounts on Lemmy to have random arguments with people about whether or not Russia did something to affect the US Presidential Election. I can’t honestly comprehend why you think I might be doing that.
You’re the one making claims and referring to known liars and regime mouthpieces of the US press.
I’m European, I don’t rely on your gutter level regime press or their ridiculous claims.
there is no proof that will satisfy you.
Really it’s not that difficult, ANY PROOF will satisfy me, as is common in discussions.
“sources say”, “it is believed” or whatever cheap tricks your press uses to make baseless claims are NOT PROOF.
I know americans swallow a lot of garbage and ‘trust me bro’ is enough for them but that doesn’t work for me.
I require standards and PROOF.
You will fail any time when called out on your BS, as you all did now.
None of you have provided me with any proof.
Embarrassing.
I’ve provided proof, as you’ve defined it. You may actually need to click through a link or two to find it, but nothing I’ve provided is “sources” or “believed.” It’s emails, official documents, products of formal investigations. Is it perfect? No! But it’s what we have, and it’s honestly enough.
But since you seem hell-bent on raking me over the coals for having the audacity to believe that a known bad actor is influencing American elections, I guess we’re done here.
NYT, WaPO,etc…
LOL those are your credible US regime sources?
Man you’re a clown.
Also you’re switching accounts again, Eglin Airforce Base incompetence
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It’s a US REGIME SOURCE.
Even worse than the regime press mouthpieces.
Obviously far from impartial.
And I’m not wasting my time reading all that.
But even then, If you actually read it I’m sure you can show me EVIDENCE for just one of all these claims I’m prepared to hear it.
As I asked 3 times and you failed to provide it 3 times.
Right–it has every interest in making it seem like the government’s not being affected by outside interests. They’re not impartial–they’re biased in the other direction. And they still admit that the Russian government interfered in US elections.
Are you even listening to yourself?
I provided a whole list of evidence that you discarded because it didn’t meet with your purity test. But sure, here’s more. The Mueller Report includes documents that:
report a Russian operative calling their work on the 2016 US election “information warfare”;
show how Russia actually began operations in the US to destabilize the 2016 election two years earlier;
detail the fake social media accounts that promoted Trump or divided Americans using fake hashtags like “#KidsForTrump”;
give evidence for the IRA setting up a 2015 Confederate rally in Houston, as well as a 2016 Trump rally in Miami which Trump himself promoted;
prove that the GRU hacked the DNC and the Clinton campaign, releasing files to WikiLeaks–in one case, only five hours after Trump publicly asked them to do so;
record a Trump associate’s email to Michael Cohen: “Buddy, our boy can become president of the USA, and we can engineer it. I will get all of Putin’s team to buy in on this.”
Plus, outside of the Mueller Report, the Roger Stone, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, and Paul Manafort cases include, on the record, evidence of Russian collusion.
So I’m not sure what else I can tell you here. It’s pretty well-established and clear that Russia has been working to influence US elections for at least a decade now. To pretend otherwise would require some absolutely wild rejection of unbiased facts.
Now, none of this means that Israel isn’t also trying to influence US elections. They very clearly are. But more than one country can be doing such a thing.
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Poor thing, doesn’t even understand how his banana republic works even if it has been the same scam since the beginning and already mocked by Marx in 1870.
Despite the theater of both of your Uniparty **the main elements are eternal and bipartisan. ** : Imperialism, war,murdering brown people while looting their countries, support for oligarchs, banks and the shitraeli genocide state ARE BIPARTISAN.
In case you also didn’t notice, warmongering against Russia has full support of Genocide Joe, Copmala or whatever fascist-lite side may be in charge.
They ALL want to use anything they can invent against Russia.
And clearly you don’t even know what evidence or facts is.
Your little AI somation of what a report says is not facts/evidence.
That has as much value as your regime press spouting its usual garbage on the basis of ‘it is believed’ ‘sources say’ ‘officials have said’.
And here we go again, SHOW ME THAT ‘RECORD’ you are referring to, not the CLAIMS.
Not much since I’m not interested in you telling me stuff if it’s not backed up by evidence.
All of you have failed to provide even 1 piece.
I’m sure Russia does a lot of stuff against the US (rightfully) but IU know from experience a lot of stuff in the US/EU press is invented and laughable.
And why would they support 1 candidate over the other when they both are warmongering Russophobes (as mentioned before).
Trump even unilaterally ended the INF treaties, seen as a wild and agressive and dangerous decision.
He fully backed the ukros and still does. Literally at war with Russia by proxy.
Despite all these FACTS (I can back those up) the embarrassing conspiracy level claim that he is a Russian agent is seen as true in your clown country.
Anyway enough about this.
The US is circling the drain with or without foreign influence.
That is the most important and optimistic fact.
Despite their violent lashing out at everything like a cornered cat their time has come.
The world will be a better place when that cancer is finally removed.
I told you what’s there and where you can verify it. You can go find it or not. I’m not doing homework for you, and it’s not in an easily copy/pastable format. So go look it up yourself or stop whining.
I just did. It’s on you to verify that what I–and every actual journalist (including journalists in Europe) who’s looked at it–am saying is in there. I’m not following your moving goalposts anymore. Believe it or don’t, but the truth (as well as we can know it) is available to you. It can be known.
Look, you’re not going to need to convince me that Trump is a dangerous person in this whole misadventure.
I never said that he was a Russian agent. I said that the Russian government committed election fraud to get him elected; there’s a big difference. Was it to destabilize the US and weaken its power on the world stage? Maybe. If so, it worked. Was it to get a sympathetic ear into the White House? Maybe. If so, it probably didn’t work. Was it to install a dangerous and chaotic leader as a pretext for war? Quite possibly! and if so, it’s going swimmingly.
No argument from me there. This would’ve happened eventually, Russia or no Russia. I’m just saying they sped things up.
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illiterate americans.
can’t even differentiate between evidence/proof and sources.
They sure succeded in dumbing you all down.
LOL
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Oh, you’re one of those. So when you say “credible source,” what you really mean is “source I already agree with.” Meaning that, to you, there is no credible source. I guess that means no, there is no proof that will satisfy you. Cool. You’ve just religioned your way into unfalsifiability, I guess.
Sure, believe what you want to believe. Clearly I have multiple sock puppet accounts on Lemmy to have random arguments with people about whether or not Russia did something to affect the US Presidential Election. I can’t honestly comprehend why you think I might be doing that.
LOL at “you’re one of those.”
You’re the one making claims and referring to known liars and regime mouthpieces of the US press.
I’m European, I don’t rely on your gutter level regime press or their ridiculous claims.
Really it’s not that difficult, ANY PROOF will satisfy me, as is common in discussions.
“sources say”, “it is believed” or whatever cheap tricks your press uses to make baseless claims are NOT PROOF.
I know americans swallow a lot of garbage and ‘trust me bro’ is enough for them but that doesn’t work for me.
I require standards and PROOF. You will fail any time when called out on your BS, as you all did now.
None of you have provided me with any proof.
Embarrassing.
I’ve provided proof, as you’ve defined it. You may actually need to click through a link or two to find it, but nothing I’ve provided is “sources” or “believed.” It’s emails, official documents, products of formal investigations. Is it perfect? No! But it’s what we have, and it’s honestly enough.
But since you seem hell-bent on raking me over the coals for having the audacity to believe that a known bad actor is influencing American elections, I guess we’re done here.
You people are hilarious.
Thanks for the fun times, you can end the humiliation and weasel out.