Personally, I see a pattern of continually engaging in underhanded and rent-seeking behavior that does not align with its stated goal of ensuring user privacy. Because I see a pattern of trying things to see what they can get away with, I lack any trust in their future behavior and have no desire to use software that I feel I have to maintain constant vigilance over what changes they’re making from release to release.
I totally get your point about not wanting to use Brave for ethical and moral reasons, but considering I haven’t seen any issues lately regarding a lack of privacy or honesty from the devs, I’m actually really comfortable where I’m at.
It’s not just about moral reasons (although I would write them off for moral reasons alone, to be clear). Brave as a browser has a history of making privacy worse- see, for example, disabling advance anti-fingerprinting in 2024 and their piss-poor tor implementation in 2021. Your initial comment had said you hadn’t seen anything since 2018 and maybe you like the browser enough to not care about their history of careless implementations of privacy features or their limiting of user choice on fingerprinting protections, but I don’t see how these objections can be dismissed as not relating to privacy.
They really do involve privacy, just like how Brave used Google as its default search engine when it was first created, but that changed over time, just as the things you mentioned are from 2018 and 2024 (8 and 2 years ago).
So let me get this straight: you are concerned about Google’s overreach into your privacy rights, but you are defending Brave browser, who has a history of deceiving users with claims of privacy, literally trying to mine shitcoins on your device, and promoting ads for certain affiliates without telling anyone?
1,2,3,4,6,7,8,10,11 are not privacy related issues.
I don’t think you read, or understood the article, because your summary is not what’s happening there. In that article a website owner is complaining that Brave is scraping their website and using the content to feed some database for LLM training.
I was confused about because your summary is incorrect (again). Brave does still block fingerprinting, but according to that article they removed the “strict” level blocking because too many sites broke.
Interesting that you didn’t respond to the other points. Anyway, I don’t give a shit what people do on their devices, ultimately. Brave has shown itself to not be a trustworthy player many times, yet you folks still just drink the koolaid. I have no idea why Brave’s marketing gets you every time when the reality is they are out to make profit at the expense of the user.
Here’s a brief synopsis of the various things Brave has gotten up to, with receipts rather than “Brave is spyware”: https://thelibre.news/no-really-dont-use-brave/.
Personally, I see a pattern of continually engaging in underhanded and rent-seeking behavior that does not align with its stated goal of ensuring user privacy. Because I see a pattern of trying things to see what they can get away with, I lack any trust in their future behavior and have no desire to use software that I feel I have to maintain constant vigilance over what changes they’re making from release to release.
I totally get your point about not wanting to use Brave for ethical and moral reasons, but considering I haven’t seen any issues lately regarding a lack of privacy or honesty from the devs, I’m actually really comfortable where I’m at.
It’s not just about moral reasons (although I would write them off for moral reasons alone, to be clear). Brave as a browser has a history of making privacy worse- see, for example, disabling advance anti-fingerprinting in 2024 and their piss-poor tor implementation in 2021. Your initial comment had said you hadn’t seen anything since 2018 and maybe you like the browser enough to not care about their history of careless implementations of privacy features or their limiting of user choice on fingerprinting protections, but I don’t see how these objections can be dismissed as not relating to privacy.
They really do involve privacy, just like how Brave used Google as its default search engine when it was first created, but that changed over time, just as the things you mentioned are from 2018 and 2024 (8 and 2 years ago).
So let me get this straight: you are concerned about Google’s overreach into your privacy rights, but you are defending Brave browser, who has a history of deceiving users with claims of privacy, literally trying to mine shitcoins on your device, and promoting ads for certain affiliates without telling anyone?
Either you are a paid troll or incredibly naive.
List which privacy promises Brave has failed to keep.
This isn’t even a complete list. Are you starting to see why Brave and deGoogle don’t go together yet?
I’m assuming this is a list you copied from somewhere else, most of these are not privacy issues.
https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/13527
There is a more recent issue where DNS is leaking if your Shield settings are set to “Aggressive” for trackers & ads blocking:
https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/48947
1,2,3,4,6,7,8,10,11 are not privacy related issues.
I don’t think you read, or understood the article, because your summary is not what’s happening there. In that article a website owner is complaining that Brave is scraping their website and using the content to feed some database for LLM training.
I was confused about because your summary is incorrect (again). Brave does still block fingerprinting, but according to that article they removed the “strict” level blocking because too many sites broke.
Interesting that you didn’t respond to the other points. Anyway, I don’t give a shit what people do on their devices, ultimately. Brave has shown itself to not be a trustworthy player many times, yet you folks still just drink the koolaid. I have no idea why Brave’s marketing gets you every time when the reality is they are out to make profit at the expense of the user.