I’m 60. I’m not sure I could get another job using my own advice either.
I am working with several people trying to break into my field and it’s almost impossible. Mostly because it’s a bit of niche field, and almost everyone in it has decades of experience.
It’s considered a second entry profession so most people did something else first. There are now diplomas and certifications for young people interested in the field. As a profession we talk about how to ladder younger people in, but struggle with what entry level looks like. A few years work experience and a professional certification just doesn’t stack up in an interview against a few decades of experience.
Sounds like the company needs to create a lower level position at lower pay to get the less qualified people in. Then you can promote from that pool when you need the higher level positions.
Don’t quote me on this but I think you’re cooking! We need a name for a role that makes it easy for people to enter our industry, maybe we can call it something like entry level!
You’ve got it. If I need someone with logistics experience do I take someone straight out of school who did some a co-op term with a county emergency service or someone with 15 years in the military maintaining supply lines. And if I want to prioritize civilian experience there is a whole pack of police, paras, and firefighters looking for first retirement at 40 who can leverage that experience.
Shit, I’m only 39 and don’t think anyone should try to get into my career field now. Tech’s entry level is all but gone. I don’t know who the companies plan to promote to senior roles in the future when their senior people retire…
It was rough getting into IT in my area shortly after 2008. It’s gotten worse, way worse and I know because the managers complained all the time they couldn’t find someone experienced and didn’t want to train anyone.
I’m on the side that hires. It’s ugly over here as well. We still do resumes and I screen manually - yes I actually read them because I don’t even trust HR to screen forget about AI. We get 300+ resumes for an opening and every one of them is a person with a story. At the end of the process I will have one very happy person, 5 feeling they were so close, and ~290 thinking nobody read their stuff.
Makes me think there’s too many people for the jobs we have. I think we need ubi. Those who want to work to make extra can. But I bet if we had ubi you’d have 20 applicants instead of 300.
I’m 60. I’m not sure I could get another job using my own advice either.
I am working with several people trying to break into my field and it’s almost impossible. Mostly because it’s a bit of niche field, and almost everyone in it has decades of experience.
It’s considered a second entry profession so most people did something else first. There are now diplomas and certifications for young people interested in the field. As a profession we talk about how to ladder younger people in, but struggle with what entry level looks like. A few years work experience and a professional certification just doesn’t stack up in an interview against a few decades of experience.
Sounds like the company needs to create a lower level position at lower pay to get the less qualified people in. Then you can promote from that pool when you need the higher level positions.
Don’t quote me on this but I think you’re cooking! We need a name for a role that makes it easy for people to enter our industry, maybe we can call it something like entry level!
🤣
The issue with him is people with standard exp can’t get standard roles due to too many overqualified applicants.
But yeah. Opening up entry level roles for people with standard exp sucks.
You’ve got it. If I need someone with logistics experience do I take someone straight out of school who did some a co-op term with a county emergency service or someone with 15 years in the military maintaining supply lines. And if I want to prioritize civilian experience there is a whole pack of police, paras, and firefighters looking for first retirement at 40 who can leverage that experience.
Shit, I’m only 39 and don’t think anyone should try to get into my career field now. Tech’s entry level is all but gone. I don’t know who the companies plan to promote to senior roles in the future when their senior people retire…
It was rough getting into IT in my area shortly after 2008. It’s gotten worse, way worse and I know because the managers complained all the time they couldn’t find someone experienced and didn’t want to train anyone.
See that’s the thing… senior people are gonna be “replaced by AI…” so there’s no need.
/s
You don’t get it. You’re not supposed to apply in the field you worked before, or that you’re good at.
The whole point is use boomer advice to apply to the jobs that are out there, with the salaries that are out there.
The whole point is that the job market sucks and you don’t get to choose because there’s more job applicants than positions.
I’m on the side that hires. It’s ugly over here as well. We still do resumes and I screen manually - yes I actually read them because I don’t even trust HR to screen forget about AI. We get 300+ resumes for an opening and every one of them is a person with a story. At the end of the process I will have one very happy person, 5 feeling they were so close, and ~290 thinking nobody read their stuff.
Wow. Thats just crazy.
Makes me think there’s too many people for the jobs we have. I think we need ubi. Those who want to work to make extra can. But I bet if we had ubi you’d have 20 applicants instead of 300.