• freagle@lemmy.ml
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      No. The Soviets defeated 80% of the Nazi forces, liberated the occupied territories, liberated the concentration camps, and marched into and straight through Berlin. The Americans, meanwhile, were working with the Vatican to save 10k Nazis by secreting them out of harms way through the rat lines, and integrating them all over the US sphere of influence in North and South America. East Germany went through a violent purge of all Nazis and people who supported them. West Germany elected former Nazi politicians to office immediately after the war. Nazis were in the GULAG system laboring under armed guard meanwhile in the US Von Braun was paid handsomely and given high office in the military R&D apparatus. And of course, then the USA formed NATO and staffed with senior Nazi officers claiming that only the Nazis knew how to best to fight the Soviets (despite the Soviets clearly demonstrating that they were able to completely destroy the Nazi threat).

      So no, the people who fought the Nazis - the Soviets - we’re not themselves Nazis.

      But the Americans? Yes. They were holding Nazi rallies all over the country. They were hosting Nazi camps for children all over the country. The titans of big business from Ford to IBM to Chase were all constantly flying between the US and Berlin to work directly with Hitler and all of the Nazi party to develop their industry, particularly their military-industrial complex.

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        Oh. So, “Americans” are a hive mind? Obviously, if even one American was a Nazi sympathizer, then they all were…right?

        What does that make Stalin? He signed a treaty with them. Cut a deal to carve up Eastern Europe between him and Hitler? I guess Russians are all Nazis too, then…right?

        smh.

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          Wtf? No. How do you even arrive at that conclusion? What I was saying is that NATO was staffed Nazis by people who supported Nazis, and when challenged with the idea that since the US fought the Nazis they therefore weren’t on the side of the Nazis, I presented evidence for how many powerful interests in the US were actually pro-Nazi to the point of literally rescuing them, collaborating with them, paying them, hiring them, appointing them to positions of power, and supporting them economically and politically.

          Nowhere did I say every single American is a Nazi or Nazi sympathizer. That’s a strawman you made up so you don’t have to deal with reality.

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            Uh huh? And I was saying that your argument can also be applied to the Russians. That’s how stupid it is.

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              No, what’s stupid is you thinking that a non-aggression pact before the war is equivalent to saving 10k Nazis from justice after the war.

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                Buddy, the Russians “saved” even more Nazis than the Americans did, for their research programs after the war.

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                  Yeah, that’s not actually true and I encourage you to bring me evidence of it.

                  Meanwhile, you can read all about Operation Paperclip and Operation Gladio for the other side.

                  So please, present evidence.