“Republicans are once again attempting to make Daylight Saving Time permanent, with President Donald Trump promising to lead the push to end the longstanding American practice of switching clocks twice a year.”
“Republicans are once again attempting to make Daylight Saving Time permanent, with President Donald Trump promising to lead the push to end the longstanding American practice of switching clocks twice a year.”
Twice a year the entire country collectively agrees the clock change is annoying, unhealthy, and pointless, and then somehow we still keep doing it.
I recall this had gained momentum under Biden but ultimately failed for what I can only perceive as the GOP not wanting that W to happen under the Dems.
From what I understand parents were freaking out about having their kids outside in the dark either before or after school, I don’t remember which. That’s the only argument against it I think I’ve ever heard.
I used to wait at the bus stop in the winter at 6am when it was still pitch black out.
It would be light before the bus got there and dark again within two hours of getting home.
This was in Minneapolis, but I lived in the south side while going to a specialized program at North High, the other side of the city, so it wasn’t typical.
Anywhere in the north quarter of the continental US already has kids waiting for the bus in the dark, regardless of DST. It’s a poor argument from the get go
Yeah and they don’t heave time to enjoy the morning light before school anyway. It’s after school when we need the extra sun (which is still quite limited in northern states).
I mean you get screwed on one side of the equation anyway just because of sunlight hours shortening by the season. Hell, Alaskans have months without meaningful sunlight. And then months with basically 24h sunlight. Unless jobs were to adjust their hours with the seasons theres no way not to get screwed at some point.
There’s an appreciable increase in cardiovascular events and car accidents when we lose an hour. For that reason alone we should stop the stupid clock changing.
Ah, North High. I played a bunch of flash games and watched the back half of the Naruto Chuunin Exams arc in the media center there since Cartoon Network’s website wasn’t blocked for some reason. Good times.
Which is so damn stupid. Either shut up, because the northern part of the country and other countries manage this without whinging about it,
OR get involved locally and change the school start time.
Stock market. Everyone is waiting for NY to decide, because an hour shift has huge rippling effects for trading algorithms. It hasn’t happened because of $$$, not because leaders care about kids.
So just move it 30 minutes one last time and call it good.
So then it would be say 4pm on the East Coast of the US and something 30 in every other country? That would make things more confusing for everyone. The rest of the world would have to agree to this and that ain’t happening.
Half hour time zones exist but year aren’t common
The rest of the world wouldn’t have to agree to it, but I do think it would be a needless complication.
The rest of the world doesn’t need to agree.
Every place except Afghanistan.
I can’t fathom how this isn’t the answer. Seems like it would be a slam dunk.
Kids waiting for the bus in the dark is the most legitimate concern when it comes to this issue.
That’s gonna happen anyway. There is no way to guarantee a reasonable sunrise time all year. I hate changing the clocks and like getting up after sunrise, but nothing is more dispiriting than going home from work in the dark, and there would be less of that with permanent DST.
Well, we could just define sunrise as 7 a.m. and Sunset as 7 p.m.
That would mean very long 12 hours in summer and very short 12 hours in winter, but it would make sure that no kid had to take a bus in the dark (unless they take a bus considerably before 7)
Happens a heck of a lot less though the other way. And you being inconvienced is way less compelling.
I’m all for Standard Time
The reason it happens less is DST though.
This goes up for vote almost yearly at this point and fails because no one can agree on which schedule to use.
See the rest of the comments lol.
Thing is there is a correct and scientifically proven beneficial time (normal time) and one that idiot propaganda is successfully pushing because people positively associate it with summer (even often calling daylight saving time summer time instead).
So not moving on with the discussion was actually the better option.
Agreed. I’m all for making solar time stay in place year-round, but it’s insanity to mandate we always use the wrong time.
I’d rather it get dark at 9:30 in summer and 5:30 in winter than 8:30 in summer and 4:30 in winter.
I’d rather have dark mornings than dark afternoons.
I’d rather have noon the accurate year-around. I can’t switch when the sun is the highest. All other things I can reschedule.
I don’t get this argument. The day doesn’t change no matter what the numbers are. Just do something when it’s light or dark when you want to. That’s it.
Changing the clock itself alters the amount of light left when people get off work.
We could’ve just left the clocks alone, and instead made it mandatory that businesses reduce working hours by an hour or two in the winter, while maintaining the same pay. But since the government is corporate captured, that would never pass.
In our current system of daylight savings, corporations get the same amount of work hours, while all the workers are forced to adjust. It’s a pro-corporate compromise.
It’s similar to how studies show that 4-day work weeks boost mental health and productivity, but corporations don’t like the idea, so a law mandating 4-day work weeks without a reduction in pay would never pass, despite it benefitting society.
This doesn’t make any sense to me. They get the same amount of work hours no matter what the clock says.
Also the daylight time will vary depending on what latitude you are on, so I am not getting this argument.
In any case I do think it’s up to each community to figure out what day and night are, and like some I have lived in they adjust summer hours vs winter hours for the reasons of shifting the activities to when they wanted them to occur. Not changing the clocks, just what hours they wanted to collectively do things.
I think you may be conflating my two paragraphs together. The first paragraph explains why they collectively change their clocks forward or backward an hour. It’s because most US businesses do not have alternate hours for different seasons.
My second paragraph is an alternate proposal, by me, that would avoid the need to change the clocks at all, while as a side effect giving people an extra hour of their life for themselves.
I just fail to understand how it’s pro corporate compromise. Seems to me it’s costs them far more in managing time zone changes than not.
Yeah, I’d rather bright mornings, and so here we are at an impasse!
Just leave it, it is what it is. Or shit, make the following Monday a holiday, how about that. Give us an extra 24 hours to adjust.
There is no wrong time. It’s arbitrary numbers it doesn’t matter what you call the number at.
Wrong. Noon should be the hour closest to the sun’s peak.
Just hang your clock up with 1 at the top then? Why not start the day at 1? What is magic about 12?
Well, there’s a lot of magic in 12, but I would say noon is more of a 0 and that’s the most magic number of all.
Why? The name you assign that makes no damn difference. Also is not consistent by latitude. Or the boundaries of time zones for that matter. Or the time of the year.
It makes a difference to align my internal clock with solar activity. The middle of the day (noon) must be the middle of the day (sun’s peak). DST sucks.
Hope you don’t move. You must live at the equator?
Seriously, you clock is yours the number doesn’t matter. Other people are on all their own rhythms the numbers are arbitrary.
If you like what ever noon means to you, the name and number assigned at that time doesn’t mean anything.
Latitude doesn’t affect when the Sun is at the peak, it affects how high the sun is when it is at the peak.
“Your” clock is bad, usually ranging from a 23 to 25 hour cycle naturally. The sun is what constantly adjusts it to match 24 hours.
The people with a natural inner clock of more than 24 hours (those are the majority btw) need the sunrise to tell their bodies “hey, you might think its still time to sleep because you are on hours #25 of your day/night cycle, but it’s time to wake up” and the sunset for “it might feel like there is still another hour of day but it’s time to get tired and got to sleep”.
Moving sunset/-rise an hour back really screws with their inner clocks. And “I just feel that one hour more of light in the evening is better” (the usual argument of the daylight savinf time as standard time side) does not beat actual biology and damning more than half of the people to a constant state of light sleep deprivation.
Nah it’s just numbers. A day length is real, but the numbers we lay on it, hours and minutes, are just ways to split it up. There’s no magic to calling the direct overhead sun 12, and that doesn’t happen at the edges of time zones under either scheme anyway.
You could get it with a sundial, just have longer day “hours” in summer and longer night “hours” in winter.
Correct, it’s not magic. It’s biology. Light, mostly natural light, is what controls your daily rhythm and what constantly resets your biological clock to a 24 hours cycle when it’s by default not that good and might range from 23 to 25 hours naturally.
The latter fact is also responsible for natural early birds or natural late risers because those are people with a natural inner clock more leaning to the 23 hour or 25 hour side respectively.
And that’s where things actually get interesting. The majority belongs to the second group. They are also the one most suffering from our modern style of life. Because while the early bird can just start the day a bit slower and can voluntarily go to sleep an hour earlier when his inner clock tells him the day is over (that free time after all), the late risers don’t have that choice. Neither can they just sleep a bit longer matching their “but my 25-hour of day/night are not done yet”-cycle because they have to get to work, nor can they go to bed an hour earlier to get enough sleep because they are simple not tired yet and still in day mode.
And there is exactly one thing that helps those people to not live in a constant state of light sleep deprivation. Earlier sunrises and sunsets to adjust there biological clock to better work with a 24 hours duration. Daylight saving times does the opposite and hurts the portion of the population already badly adjusted to hour modern day cycle (again: they are the majority, too).
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Calling science (biology in this case) bullshit sums up a US-centric discussion perfectly…
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Known liar too.
Pledged to donate a ton of money to climate change organizations. As of tracking it until 2 years ago, he had actually donated only 3% of the pledge.