If they harmed civilians then that is also wrong, obviously. Ethnicity has nothing to do with this. I think harming civilians is wrong.
So you agree, during the Holocaust you would have been saying "Both the Nazi occupation of Poland and the Warsaw ghetto uprising are completely wrong! What we need is a new peace process between the Nazis and Jews”
If Hamas wants to try to defeat Israel’s government then that’s one thing, but harming civilians is another thing.
Famously no civilians killed defeating the Nazis, you dishonest Zionist.
I’m saying that I think it’s wrong to harm civilians.
No, you dishonest Zionist, you said that there should be a “new peace process”, ie, defeating the Nazis was good, but Israel should be appeased.
I don’t think that’s true.
Then you’re a historically illiterate moron who has no business talking on the matter. Or, more likely, you’re lying.
Netanyahu’s party is right-wing and the parties in his coalition are far-right.
Every party in the Israeli government is far right wing except for the Palestinian ones, who the opposition were so completely unwilling to work with that they let Netanyahu have control.
It seems there are more progressive politicians in Israel like Yair Golan who apparently supports “a two-state solution” and “ending the occupation of the Palestinian territories”.
You dishonest piece of shit. Yair is a far right ethno fascist who openly endorsed the greater Israel project and supports corralling Palestinians into a handful of Israeli controlled Bantustans and “ending the occupation” by annexing the territories. Be fucking honest, what you want is an Israeli government that has all the same policies as Netanyahu (and all previous governments), but coaches it in mild, centrist platitudes to make it palatable to meek liberal Zionists, again, just like all previous governments. Who do you think is going to still buy this shit? “Oh it’s just Netanyahu, most of the Kennesset wants a two state solution, (don’t ask why every Israeli government in history has expanded settlements and activity sabotaged the possibility of a Palestinian state).”
The only people still talking about a “two state solution” are people who have not done a shred of reading on the subject (and thus shouldn’t be giving their opinions) and people who know damn well that the possibility of a two state solution is stone dead at Israel’s hand, and thus they can feign support for it without having to worry about it getting in the way of what they actually want; the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
I don’t support apartheid, or occupation, or ethnic cleansing
Yes you do, in every way that actually matters.
What I’m saying is that I hope everyone in the Israel/Palestine area can live in peace
“I’m just saying I hope everyone in Rhodesia can live in peace!”
But yes Israel’s actions are obviously preventing this.
And you oppose stopping them. Once again, your position is “I support Israel and oppose its enemies, but it would be nice if it chose to be less brutal.”
You’ve replied to me a lot. If you don’t like what I’m saying then okay. What I’m saying is that I think killing civilians is wrong, and that’s actually why I think Israel’s actions are so bad.
If you think my comments aren’t good enough then okay. We will just have different perspectives.
I’m not endorsing any particular Israeli politicians. I was just pointing out that there are more views in Israel besides the views of Netanyahu and his far-right government.
If you’re going to just throw around insults then there is no point in talking to you. I’ve been clear that what I oppose is harm to civilians. I’ve also been clear that I oppose Israel’s genocide of Palestinians, which is something we surely agree on, and yet you choose to throw around insults anyway. If you don’t like what I have said then okay, you can have that view.
And if you’re just going to be willfully and deliberately disingenuous then there’s no point in doing anything other than just insulting you. “Oh I’m just saying I oppose those who harm civilians, but I support Israel because they have a minority leader who also supports harming civilians but I’m not endorseing him, anyway forget Israel, what about October 7th! Hamas must be destroyed, then we can think about asking Israel nicely to be less genocidal.”
So you agree, during the Holocaust you would have been saying "Both the Nazi occupation of Poland and the Warsaw ghetto uprising are completely wrong! What we need is a new peace process between the Nazis and Jews”
Famously no civilians killed defeating the Nazis, you dishonest Zionist.
No, you dishonest Zionist, you said that there should be a “new peace process”, ie, defeating the Nazis was good, but Israel should be appeased.
Then you’re a historically illiterate moron who has no business talking on the matter. Or, more likely, you’re lying.
Every party in the Israeli government is far right wing except for the Palestinian ones, who the opposition were so completely unwilling to work with that they let Netanyahu have control.
You dishonest piece of shit. Yair is a far right ethno fascist who openly endorsed the greater Israel project and supports corralling Palestinians into a handful of Israeli controlled Bantustans and “ending the occupation” by annexing the territories. Be fucking honest, what you want is an Israeli government that has all the same policies as Netanyahu (and all previous governments), but coaches it in mild, centrist platitudes to make it palatable to meek liberal Zionists, again, just like all previous governments. Who do you think is going to still buy this shit? “Oh it’s just Netanyahu, most of the Kennesset wants a two state solution, (don’t ask why every Israeli government in history has expanded settlements and activity sabotaged the possibility of a Palestinian state).”
The only people still talking about a “two state solution” are people who have not done a shred of reading on the subject (and thus shouldn’t be giving their opinions) and people who know damn well that the possibility of a two state solution is stone dead at Israel’s hand, and thus they can feign support for it without having to worry about it getting in the way of what they actually want; the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
Yes you do, in every way that actually matters.
“I’m just saying I hope everyone in Rhodesia can live in peace!”
And you oppose stopping them. Once again, your position is “I support Israel and oppose its enemies, but it would be nice if it chose to be less brutal.”
You’ve replied to me a lot. If you don’t like what I’m saying then okay. What I’m saying is that I think killing civilians is wrong, and that’s actually why I think Israel’s actions are so bad.
If you think my comments aren’t good enough then okay. We will just have different perspectives.
Unless it’s being done by respectable liberal Zionists, of course
I never said anything like that. I think harming civilians is wrong, no matter who is doing it.
Uhuh. Until it’s time to endorse Yair Golan, a man with a decades long career of harming civilians.
I’m not endorsing any particular Israeli politicians. I was just pointing out that there are more views in Israel besides the views of Netanyahu and his far-right government.
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If you’re going to just throw around insults then there is no point in talking to you. I’ve been clear that what I oppose is harm to civilians. I’ve also been clear that I oppose Israel’s genocide of Palestinians, which is something we surely agree on, and yet you choose to throw around insults anyway. If you don’t like what I have said then okay, you can have that view.
And if you’re just going to be willfully and deliberately disingenuous then there’s no point in doing anything other than just insulting you. “Oh I’m just saying I oppose those who harm civilians, but I support Israel because they have a minority leader who also supports harming civilians but I’m not endorseing him, anyway forget Israel, what about October 7th! Hamas must be destroyed, then we can think about asking Israel nicely to be less genocidal.”