• stretch2m@infosec.pub
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    8 days ago

    As long as we have this broken first-past-the-post electoral system, I will vote blue, no matter what. When we have something better (proportional representation, for example), I will entertain more nuanced parties. Until then, at least the D leaders haven’t actively dismantled democracy.

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      7 days ago

      A study from 20 years ago by Princeton University says that voters have zero impact on policy or politicians. Democrat leaders are actively dismantling to democracy otherwise that study will not have shown as such.

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      6 days ago

      the D leaders haven’t actively dismantled democracy.

      they regularly sue to keep green party candidates off of ballots, denying people the choice to vote for someone else. they also argued they don’t need to respect the votes even within their own party.

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      7 days ago

      “I’ll continue to support genocide until someone else makes it convenient not to”

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      8 days ago

      So you want everyone else to do the work and when that job is finished you will hop on our bandwagon and proclaim you always supported us?

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        7 days ago

        It’s not “hopping on the bandwagon”, with the way your election system is rigged, there are only two options for a lot of places, anything else is a wasted vote

        If you got rid of the Electoral Colleges and the FPP then suddenly it’s not a wasted vote

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          7 days ago

          And you know what changes first past the post? Democrats getting off their ass and voting for actual nondemocrat or socialist candidates. If they are pushed past the post by Democrats, then they win. It’s as simple as that. Trying to reform a party that is operating exactly as designed will always lead to failure

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            6 days ago

            No, all that will do is make republicans win in former Dem safehouses

            You woefully underestimate how much the deck is intentionally stacked against everyone but the big two

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                6 days ago

                Yes! Genius!

                Why has nobody thought of that before???

                Oh wait… they have. It was found to not work unless you’re in a “safe” voting block, and if you’re living anywhere with any amount of swing to it, you INSTEAD make the party you hate win.

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                    6 days ago

                    Cool, but one is trying to destroy your rights quickly, putting people into camps, and treating LGBTQ as monsters.

                    one is trying to do it slowly, not putting people in camps, and it’s pretty chill with LGBTQ, which is better?

                    The latter!

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        7 days ago

        You can be working towards voter reform and be voting for Democrats at the same time. They aren’t mutually exclusive.

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          7 days ago

          So your plan is to work towards voter reform while supporting the politicians that do not want voter reform?

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            7 days ago

            I’m sure some Democrats would like it, there’s people who run on that platform. It’s better than letting Republicans win at least.

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                  6 days ago

                  No, I’m a communist that sees your parties from the outside, their differences are superficial and their similarities are vast

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                    5 days ago

                    “both sides bad” is such a juvenile take. It’s myopic. Yes, both sides are bad, but one side is clearly worse than the other. Not being able to handle that shows an inability to let go of binary thinking.

                    There’s a difference between a stubbed toe and a broken leg, and looking down on people who don’t want a broken leg and are trying to keep the “break everyone’s legs” party out of power is just dumb.