Bernie losing the primary in 2016 showed me all i needed to see about what the DNC is all about. Trump didn’t win in 2016, Hillary lost.
It showed you that a neoliberal political machine prefers candidates that aren’t gonna rock the boat? Was that somehow surprising?
But yeah Hilldawg’s campaign strategy consisted of “I show up and am handed a crown.”
I believe a similar rug pull will happen with this latest wave of social democrats, which will in turn radicalize more people into revolutionary politics. Those who burn their hands on a hot stove seldom make the same mistake.
And dropped the entire visage of being able to negotiate with them. They’re liars and cheaters just like the Republicans.
Yes. The Establishment is corrupt, not just the right wing of it. The establishment R and D have the same owners. They mainly want the same things. Those things are very rarely beneficial to the working population of the country. They’re just for show. Their job is to look a bit more caring and human when compared to blatant evil and unchecked corruption, but with mostly the same long term agenda because they mainly have the same owners.
Establishment D won’t go to war to fight the corruption and fuckery we’re drowning in, they’re part of the fuckery. They’re just the actors we’re supposed to turn to. But if we turn to actual Democrats who want actual sane social reform then they will certainly fight those assholes, because they’re fucking up the game they’ve had so good for so long.
It seems so insane that I joined the military shortly after 9/11 because of the Hoorah BS, and in 25 years it’s flipped to saying “Those terrorist guys actually had a good point.”
When I said this before, that they are all part of the same team, I got mocked SO hard…
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Sadly there are large swaths of people who refuse to admit the dems are anything but good or on the left.
And on parts of lemmy this speech (pointing out how the dems have failed and continue to fail Americans) will get you called right wing or a tankie.
Republicans are the sword of the ruling class. Democrats are the shield.
This is why votinging in your democratic primary is so important, we can change status quo in the party
Voting in every election. Your city councilors and state legislature critters have far more direct impact on your life than Washington does, and it’s a way for candidates to get practical experience before going for a federal position. Hell, run for office yourself! We’re seeing constant proof that intelligence and education aren’t requirements to be elected, so people telling themselves they don’t have what it takes are lying to themselves.
But think of all the supposed swing voters that they’re winning over
Any day now they’ll start voting blue, I’m sure of it
Any day…
This reminds me of the First Rule of the Internet, in a way.
For those Unaware, the First Rule of the Internet is as follows:
“All the “Men” are Boys, All the “Women” are Men, and all the “little girls” are F.B.I. Agents”
In our case it goes:
"All the “Conservatives” are fascists, All the “liberals” are Conservative, and all the “Commies” are just people with common sense.
May the uniparty fall so the people can be free.
Democrats, like Republicans, have always been perfectly fine with genocide. (recall, you don’t even have to kill anybody for ‘genocide’ card to be played per UN definition).
Recall that we formed Israel after WW2 for a reason, knowing exactly what would happen. bOtH pArTiEs fully support Israel for strategic and/or religious reasons.
Does that mean all registered Ds & Rs agree? Not at all. But the leadership’s track record is undeniable.
They punch left to keep their positions secure and not let anyone make them look ineffective as they are.
There’s another name for Democrats and Republicans.
“coworkers”
“The Empire”
is the other name. Same coin.
democrats are more mad agasinst NY mayor than trump. or any republican. like … wtf?
He’s got 80% popularity in NYC. Actually winning over swing voters by doing something, is apparently anathema to the DNC.
They asked very highly paid political consultants that assured them that Clintonian third way triangulation had worked once in the 90s so the smart and responsible thing to do was keep playing that playbook.
Sure it failed a couple dozen times since then.
I imagine the Democratic Party to be made up of effectively three groups.
- People that aren’t nearly as smart as they think they are that are certain they’ve crunched the numbers and have the only winning strategy, surprise, it’s move to the right.
- A bunch of old farts convinced the only thing you need to win is money and getting that money, no matter the cost in who you are beholden to, is worth it
- A lot of voters that correctly identify that it’s a two party system and they have to vote for one of them but then incorrectly think that the party is good or at all gives a shit about them.
I was in group 3 for a while and I think it’s the most difficult part of the whole fucking mess. There are two facts that are both true at the same time and the fact they are both true is mind boggling
- The shitty American electoral system means we can only have two major political parties. The republicans have gone mask off fascist while the democrats at least pretend to be less fascist. They are the better of two incredibly shitty options
- the democrats being the marginally better option of two shitty options doesn’t begin to make them particularly good and definitely doesn’t make them at all effective at achieving any of the goals I would agree with.
So we get stuck in this weird quagmire where I would agree with some of the policy goals of the Democratic Party, but I also know they will never go after those goals. When push comes to shove, even if they have the power to, they will always backseat the goals I care about and somehow find a way to deeper entrench the moneyed powers (see the ACA for a great example of offering a good policy goal like ending pre-existing conditional denial but coupling it with entrenching for profit healthcare, for profit health insurance, and failing to actually solve the massive host of other problems with American healthcare)
If you find yourself in group 3 you have accepted theres no other option but to vote for the democrats (a position I take on Election Day too) and you think “these leftists are spoiled brats, look at all the good things the Dems are trying to do”
If you are post-group 3, you find yourself somewhere where I am. I realize the electoral system forces my vote to go to the Dems or make it easier for the republicans to consolidate power. But I know the Democratic Party is effectively an organ of capital, there to do the bidding of capital while putting out tweets and letters about all the nice things they wish they could do but gee golly shucks they just couldn’t find a way to make it happen. Change is hard, I mean not if we are talking about something the donors want, but something the people want, yea, that’s really tricky.
It’s why they have to fight against the DSA, because if a group of politicians can show voters that you can elect someone to do your bidding instead of the bidding of the mega donors, their whole position as useful organ to capital is threatened. And that’s where group 2 gets their bread buttered.
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Some Democrats, especially Democratic leadership, yes. But not all Democrats. There are many people within the party celebrating the democratic socialists who won
In this context, “Democrats” could be understood to mean the DNC, party leadership, and their favored corporate politicians. Obviously the people electing the democratic socialists aren’t the ones opposing the democratic socialists, but we’re talking about the people who have enough resources and connections to screw with us, and do, despite them saying that the party is progressive, a big tent, and that we should always support the candidates regardless of how much they align with us.
“Not all dems” is about as useful to the conversation as “not all cops” or “not all men” is to their respective discussions. Technically correct by a very literal interpretation of those words, but completely missing and/or obscuring, the point.
Those ‘some democrats’ need to get off the fence and abandon that party
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You call what Democrats are doing ‘winning?’
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You are a shining example of those that do not understand or comprehend historical materialism. You think what is happening right now is unique time in history. This has happened time and again and those that continue to run under the party banner ended up being quashed by the party.
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You truly know nothing about US politics and US political history, do you? This is a rehashing of reforms under FDR, where they offered bread crumbs so people don’t demand better, so they don’t demand real socialism. While they blur the lines between socialism with things like the Nordic model, which is still capitalism and its exploitation of the global south.
I’m not sure but I think they’re talking about the center right leadership we have, Schumer and Jefferies cunts need to piss off and just join the GOP.
That’s at least how I took it, or how I want to take it.
Nah. He’s one of those types that still think the only way to get Socialists elected to office, is if they run 3rd party…despite the fact that more Socialists are beating centrist incumbents all the time.
I swear the whole concept is a psy-op intended to prevent leftists from voting, and therefore prevent them from ever holding actual power.
The problem is that the democratic party, even if it becomes overwhelmed by this new wave of social democrats, will still fall for the same trappings reformist parties run into globally. Internal opposition from those who actually control the economy, the capitalist class. The media outrage is only one small part of it, there’s also the very real fact that dominating production and distribution gives you power to control the state itself. Revolution isn’t just a LARP, in order to truly take political power it needs to be siezed by force, and the commanding heights of the economy expropriated by force.
The party is not an autonomous entity, with its own thoughts and intentions. The people in it, are. If you change the people, you change the party. If the majority of those people propose and vote for different legislation…then the entire political direction of the party shifts.
That isn’t “LARPing”. That’s actual power. LARPing is pretending that what you’re doing is having an impact. Passing actual laws that benefit the working class, actually does have that impact. In fact, it’s the only thing that does. Without laws to solidify a working class agenda, any progress you think you’ve made, is illegitimate.
Take your reform bullshit to a different space. Reform does not work, liberal voters have tried for centuries here in the US and all it’s produced are 2 right wing parties that are never held accountable.
The DNC derives its support and power from wealthy capitalist donors, and is entrenched in the imperialist organ of the US Empire. Legislation is not “word of God,” the superstructure of society does not have power over the base. You can see just how little laws actually matter when it comes to holding those fulfilling the will of capitalists accountable. Both the DNC and GOP have violated national and international law blatantly and repeatedly, but with little to no actual impact.
Without political power, which stems from the base and the state in alignment, ie a monopoly on force, there is no progress. This is why revolution is necessary, not merely reforming and replacing a capitalist party with more radical elements.
If they run in the DNC they are not socialist
You sound about as smart as James Carville.
Why are they not Socialists, if they run as Democrats?
The self-avowed socialist that just won the New York City mayor position is backing Jeffries as speaker of the House. If you try to work within the confines of a poisonous system you will get poisoned
Hate to say it, but Trump was right about them, they are dumbocrats; how else would they lose against donald duck? Snatched defeat from the jaws of victory
Well Harris lost because Biden and the establishment made her fight with her arms tied. Remember how popular Walz was in social media for a couple weeks, then he fucking vanished? He was popular because he was saying stuff that the establishment didn’t like hearing.
Freedom of speech but no freedom after speech
Lose implies they put up a fight. They talk resist while colluding with them
:'(
The worst part is that, even though it says “right now”, this has been true for decades.
They never pause punching left. At best, they sometimes conspire less publicly for a while before launching the next public “red panic”.
whatever you do don’t google project 2029
The website looks promising on first read, but digging into the founder, Cherny:
“as well as an alum of the corporate-funded Democratic Leadership Council, which was maybe best known for its enthusiasm for privatizing Social Security. Cherny first showed up on Clinton’s radar as a Harvard senior, when he wrote that the United States needed “government humble enough not to try to solve all our problems for us but strong enough to give us the tools to solve our problems for ourselves.” Clinton loved the line so much, he made his entire Cabinet read it, put it in one of his speeches, and hired Cherny as a speechwriter. He was a perfect fit for an administration that had embarked on its own Democratic version of Trump’s DOGE initiative, called “Reinventing Government,” which boasted of firing three hundred fifty-one thousand federal workers and eliminating hundreds of thousands of pages of rules and regulations.”
And of course, Chernys previous company was investigated for many instances of fraud and his cofounder put in prison. He sounds swell. So its just another shell game pretending to be progressive. Also, very conspicuously taking no stand on Israel, the biggest issue that lost the centrists base voters in the last vote. Just an issue that doesnt exist to them evidently. Heres a Jacobin article on it https://archive.ph/WVrTc#selection-881.366-905.132
