but the candidates are chosen in primaries by the bases of the party, how do they manipulate those results? I ask honestly, I’m not American, I don’t know how they do it
They can manipulate the results with fake polls. This was the methodology used for a CNN poll in 2016. The only way they could show Bernie getting beat by Hillary was not polling the 18-49 age demographic. They lied to get the results they wanted .
During the primaries several states that Bernie won awarded more delegates to Hillary, so on paper she won the state. In West Virginia Bernie won every single county, Hillary came in third place, but was awarded the most delegates.
Funding, although that is becoming less effective at the moment. Establishment candidates get many times the funds for tv ad campaigns and similar things that get their name out there, and they used to lie really well in those ads, so it worked. Still helps, but it’s fading as people stop believing in their lies.
yes, but that didn’t work, Mamdani is the mayor,
Why has it only stopped working recently? In Europe, the parties that elect their candidates in primaries tend to become more and more radical (whether to the right or the left) and that has worked for the Republicans. Why in the Democratic Party did the bases not vote for the candidate with whom they most agreed?
The establishment Democrats have trained their voter base very well to respond to “electability”, which is shorthand for, “can this person win against the Republicans?” Establishment Dems have insisted that the most electable candidate is the one that can win Republican voters by offering policies Republican voters like, which recently includes stuff like being pro forced birth or against affordable housing. This has resulted in a lot of older folks in the Democratic voter base professing to like and prefer progressive candidates, but not voting for them out of fears of “electability”.
Basically, the Establishment Democrat leaders have been using the Republican party as a threat to beat their voter base into compliance. “Vote for our candidates no matter what or you’ll get a Republican.” This has had two major results in the Democratic voter base: 1. Older voters becoming numb to the threat like an abuse victim deciding to disassociate and not participate. 2. Younger, “untrained” voters deciding to fight back by voting for the candidate they most agree with. This is why we have seen progressive candidates win “the youth vote” most consistently, which Establishment Dems have been trying to claim is mostly 18 year old college students, when in actuality they mean “anyone under 40”. It has only stopped working recently because more and more older folks are checking out and not voting because the promises of the Establishment Dems haven’t materialized for decades while younger voters are voting for progressive candidates.
It is probably the best explanation I have read so far on the subject (and it is not the first time I have asked about it) but it never ceases to amaze me the capacity for manipulation so that the bases have not moved until now, I mean, it is not like they were getting universal healthcare or anything like that, the candidate was more eligible, but I’m not sure which is better, well, maybe since the MAGA era yes, but 15 or 20 years ago I don’t know.
but the candidates are chosen in primaries by the bases of the party, how do they manipulate those results? I ask honestly, I’m not American, I don’t know how they do it
They can manipulate the results with fake polls. This was the methodology used for a CNN poll in 2016. The only way they could show Bernie getting beat by Hillary was not polling the 18-49 age demographic. They lied to get the results they wanted .
During the primaries several states that Bernie won awarded more delegates to Hillary, so on paper she won the state. In West Virginia Bernie won every single county, Hillary came in third place, but was awarded the most delegates.
For addition context, this was due to superdelegates existing, which weren’t bound by primary results
It wasnt exclusively super delegates, WV awarded every delegate to Hillary
https://youtu.be/MVnIatb7iVI?t=223
Funding, although that is becoming less effective at the moment. Establishment candidates get many times the funds for tv ad campaigns and similar things that get their name out there, and they used to lie really well in those ads, so it worked. Still helps, but it’s fading as people stop believing in their lies.
The biggest thing is throwing the party money behind some establishment Dem like Cuomo and to oppose progressive candidates like Mamdani.
yes, but that didn’t work, Mamdani is the mayor, Why has it only stopped working recently? In Europe, the parties that elect their candidates in primaries tend to become more and more radical (whether to the right or the left) and that has worked for the Republicans. Why in the Democratic Party did the bases not vote for the candidate with whom they most agreed?
The establishment Democrats have trained their voter base very well to respond to “electability”, which is shorthand for, “can this person win against the Republicans?” Establishment Dems have insisted that the most electable candidate is the one that can win Republican voters by offering policies Republican voters like, which recently includes stuff like being pro forced birth or against affordable housing. This has resulted in a lot of older folks in the Democratic voter base professing to like and prefer progressive candidates, but not voting for them out of fears of “electability”.
Basically, the Establishment Democrat leaders have been using the Republican party as a threat to beat their voter base into compliance. “Vote for our candidates no matter what or you’ll get a Republican.” This has had two major results in the Democratic voter base: 1. Older voters becoming numb to the threat like an abuse victim deciding to disassociate and not participate. 2. Younger, “untrained” voters deciding to fight back by voting for the candidate they most agree with. This is why we have seen progressive candidates win “the youth vote” most consistently, which Establishment Dems have been trying to claim is mostly 18 year old college students, when in actuality they mean “anyone under 40”. It has only stopped working recently because more and more older folks are checking out and not voting because the promises of the Establishment Dems haven’t materialized for decades while younger voters are voting for progressive candidates.
It is probably the best explanation I have read so far on the subject (and it is not the first time I have asked about it) but it never ceases to amaze me the capacity for manipulation so that the bases have not moved until now, I mean, it is not like they were getting universal healthcare or anything like that, the candidate was more eligible, but I’m not sure which is better, well, maybe since the MAGA era yes, but 15 or 20 years ago I don’t know.