do you not think that Obama and Biden did those things
You built a strawman, I rejected it, so you added more straw.
Biden and Obama did some bad things
I said Obama and Biden did bad things. What part of that wasn’t clear?
Motivation matters more than you are implying. I would prefer no one did anything shitty, but I live in the real world. A good person doing shitty things is infinitely better than a shitty person doing shitty things. The good person will show restraint and attempt to contain damage. A shitty person won’t care who get’s in the way or what happens, as long as they get whatever self-enriching thing they are trying to achieve.
It’s not a strawman. You said they were good people. I’m saying good people don’t support genocides and drone strike weddings.
And you are willing to excuse that . . .
Motivation matters more than you are implying
Maturity is realizing that bad people think they’re the good guys too. Hitler thought he was saving the Germans and the world from the Bolshevik-Jewish menace.
It’s not a strawman. You said they were good people.
Maturity is realizing that bad people think they’re the good guys too.
Sure, bad people usually think they’re the good guys. But maturity is realizing the world isn’t black and white to begin with.
Biden and Obama are shades of grey like everyone else. Obama did plenty of awful things. Acknowledging that doesn’t make him a cartoon villain, just like admitting he did good things doesn’t make him a saint.
Good people do bad things, bad people do good things. Put a drop of milk in coffee, it’s still coffee. Put a drop of coffee in milk, it’s still milk.
Funny enough, we teach this to children and is actually Christian doctrine that the Trumpublicans claim to believe in, but clearly don’t.
I’m not moving the goalposts. I said right from the beginning, Obama and Biden were good people who do bad things, and Trump is a bad person doing bad things. The only time Trump does anything good is an accident.
Uh no, if you do bad things, you are a bad person. That’s how words work.
I don’t think that people that drone strike weddings and support a genocide are not bad people. YMMW.
Completely misconstruing what I actually said to project what you wanted to hear, but YMMV strawman.
Sorry, do you not think that Obama and Biden did those things, or you don’t think they make people bad people to do them?
You built a strawman, I rejected it, so you added more straw.
I said Obama and Biden did bad things. What part of that wasn’t clear?
Motivation matters more than you are implying. I would prefer no one did anything shitty, but I live in the real world. A good person doing shitty things is infinitely better than a shitty person doing shitty things. The good person will show restraint and attempt to contain damage. A shitty person won’t care who get’s in the way or what happens, as long as they get whatever self-enriching thing they are trying to achieve.
It’s not a strawman. You said they were good people. I’m saying good people don’t support genocides and drone strike weddings.
And you are willing to excuse that . . .
Maturity is realizing that bad people think they’re the good guys too. Hitler thought he was saving the Germans and the world from the Bolshevik-Jewish menace.
Sure, bad people usually think they’re the good guys. But maturity is realizing the world isn’t black and white to begin with.
Biden and Obama are shades of grey like everyone else. Obama did plenty of awful things. Acknowledging that doesn’t make him a cartoon villain, just like admitting he did good things doesn’t make him a saint.
Good people do bad things, bad people do good things. Put a drop of milk in coffee, it’s still coffee. Put a drop of coffee in milk, it’s still milk.
Funny enough, we teach this to children and is actually Christian doctrine that the Trumpublicans claim to believe in, but clearly don’t.
That’s just moving goalposts. It’s not my black and white - you’re the one saying they’re good people (and that Trump is bad).
I’m not moving the goalposts. I said right from the beginning, Obama and Biden were good people who do bad things, and Trump is a bad person doing bad things. The only time Trump does anything good is an accident.
You’re moving goalposts by pretending that Biden has to be a cartoon villain to not be a good person.
Again, I don’t find supporting a genocide to be something good people do.