• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldOP
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    2 days ago

    Obama said he was against gay marriage, then got it legalized.

    The supreme court legalized it and no one has codified it. It’s on the chopping block just like Roe was.

    I think sometimes there is strategy in playing the game otherwise you’re stuck with a true fascist.

    I think that’s cold comfort to the sacrificial pawns.

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      Might be cold comfort but I would prefer it takes a decade of crawling towards it rather than lose everything outright because someone made a strategic failure trying to win a red state. Just like Beto did with the guns. Let’s not demolish every chance every time.

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        You’d rather crawl towards fascism with small concessions from the ruling class to make you feel like you’re winning. Because it’s more comfortable for you, and you aren’t on the chopping block just yet.

        First they came for the communists and all that… When you sacrifice all of us, we won’t be there to protect you when they come for you!

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          I would like a reasonable chance of someone that isn’t a full on fascist piece of crap winning since there’s literally two choices.

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            There’s only two choices because of spineless people who consider genocide one of the options.

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              Okay but again there’s only two choices. So don’t make the unbelievably stupid decision. That’s how you end up with trump.

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                When you decide to spend 4 years of Trump cheering for genocidal Democrats instead of spending any effort building an alternative, you deserve Trump and the collapse of your empire that’s coming with him.

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                    You! You admitted to sacrificing people with the “lesser evil” so it can take longer for fascism to take full hold, but at least it probably won’t affect you this way…

                    Instead of shrugging and agreeing that it’s cold comfort to sacrifice people because there’s only two choices, if you were a decent human you’d fight to create a third choice.

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        Might be cold comfort but I would prefer it takes a decade of crawling towards it rather than lose everything outright because someone made a strategic failure trying to win a red state.

        Talarico walking back his position didn’t convince a single bigot. They have not changed their attacks against him on this issue. I suspect that the attacks will intensify because he demonstrated a willingness to cave. But this will not be rewarded with their votes. Bigots will vote for the greater bigot every time.

        You cannot appease fascists.

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          Nah there’s definitely people that don’t mind trans people.at all but are uncomfortable with someone who was born a man playing in women’s sports. He’s not appealing to the hard right, he’s appealing to the middle ground people that live in a very conservative state. I am not saying I would do the same, but I get it.

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            I live in that very conservative state and foolishly thought that we finally had a candidate that didn’t give bigots’ framing surrounding vulnerable minorities credence.

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              Cool, make sure you still vote for the guy that said all the other stuff about it till now when he was on fox news and put a big if statement on it. Don’t be stupid. Bernie or nothing got us trump.

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                Clinton got us trump. Harris got us trump again. I voted for both of them.

                Stop blaming the left because your candidates can’t build the voter enthusiasm to beat trump.

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                  It’s like your world is black and white and there’s no nuance or grey area in anything. Good luck.

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                    It’s like you can’t comprehend that you lose because voters have standards even when you don’t.