Amazing how people just ignore the damage Lieberman, Feinstein, Sinema, Biden, and the Clintons have done to the party and the very idea of liberalism over the last forty years.
From raising the Confederate Flag in San Francisco to authoring the precursor of the Patriot Act to locking up millions of black and brown people for victimless crimes to good old fashioned corporate selling out, these slimeballs have worked hand in glove with their “moderate” Republican colleagues to plunder out country and commit genocide abroad.
How many times does Donald Trump have to pardon Henry Cuellar before people figure out they’re all on the same team.
Do you really think Trump is on the same team? Do you think Kamala would have done the exact same things and killed the exact same number of people? Do you think that they would have harmed the same number of people that you claim to care for?
Because I can name like 5 things off the top of my head that Trump did that Kamala or any other Democrat would not have done that has absolutely killed more people.
And if you care about people as much as you claim, you would want them to be less harmed. Because you can STILL PROTEST things Democrats do, and people do! But Trump and MAGA, SPECIFICALLY, is killing so many more people than Democrats, many of whom align with leftist goals like women, racial minorities, and LGBTQ people.
Disband USAID. That, alone, killed hundreds of thousands. And nobody really likes that. Like, unprecedented levels of political violence around the world because of this.
Use ICE as their private gestapo. Send them to airports and towns and shit. ICE’s actions have killed over 5 times the number in a year as under Biden, period. Was ICE bad before? Hell yeah. But it is absolutely worse now. Pretend that’s supported by Democrats by using budget votes, that STILL WOULDN’T HAVE HAPPENED UNDER KAMALA.
Pardon the January 6th protestors. Considering that several of them immediately went on to commit crimes against others, that’s just an easy one. Especially those child rape crimes! Idk, there’s a lot of support from Republicans on child rape that I just don’t see from Democrats.
Team up with Israel to go to war with Iran and whoever else is Israel wants. You can pretend that there’s Democrats that support this stuff, but, literally, there is no precedent for doing that. None. And every president gets asked to do it because Israel is an ally. Should we be allies with Israel? Fuck no.
Be a child sex predator and be Epstein’s best friend. Pretty hard to top that one, he’s literally a child rapist. Oh man, guess you can put Clinton as your ammo against that one, since they’re Democrats. Oh wait, I’m sorry, who’s responsible for those sweetheart deals? Republicans? Damn. Not again.
Executive order two genders to fuck over trans people. Yeah, I don’t think Democrats would do this. Are they great allies? No. But are they better than Republicans? Fucking absolutely. This has lasting consequences. People are dying because of this. And Democrats just would not do this.
Oh shit, I can keep going? Trump is using the presidency to enrich himself. He has made four billion dollars off the office, through embezzlement from crypto and bribes and a whole bunch of other shit. The Democrats or any President really has NEVER become a billionaire while OR AFTER being President. And he defrauded many people to do this too. Does it harm his base more than most? Yeah.
Tariffs! Why would anyone use tariffs, let alone huge generic tariffs? Raised prices on all goods, illegally, and now that the Supreme Court has said they’re illegal, everyone gets to keep their huge high-costing shit. Lots more starving children!
This is no-brain shit. It’s so easy to see the differences.
Was ICE bad before? Hell yeah. But it is absolutely worse now.
Will a future Democrat disband ICE or simply turn a blind eye to what is quickly becoming a rogue paramilitary? We’re watching politicians like Tim Walz and Tina Kotek roll over in the face of de facto martial law in their states. I don’t see any evidence to suggest a future Democratic President will rein in ICE now, given that they were unwilling to do it under Biden or Obama.
there’s a lot of support from Republicans on child rape that I just don’t see from Democrats.
If you haven’t seen it, you aren’t looking. Half of Epstein’s Black Book was Democrats. Hell, Trump was a Democrat up until 2009. Hillary and Obama were both happy to turn a blind eye to human trafficking run out of Mar-a-Lago, when they needed Donald to donate a big cup of money.
Be a child sex predator and be Epstein’s best friend.
Bill Clinton. Michael Bloomberg. Larry Summers. The list goes on. Epstein was another liberal mega-donor and was more than happy to gather kompromat on liberals and conservatives alike.
And, again, it cannot bare repeating enough. Donald Trump was a registered Democrat until 2009.
In a 2004 interview, Trump told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer: “In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat”, explaining: "It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn’t be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats…But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we’ve had some pretty bad disaster under the Republicans."In a July 2015 interview, Trump said that he has a broad range of political positions and that “I identify with some things as a Democrat.”
He was a pass-thru between Epstein and the Democratic Party - particularly Hillary Clinton, during her tenure as NY Senator. There is ample reason to believe he ran in 2016 as a cat’s paw of the Hillary campaign, intending to sabotage the GOP from within.
Executive order two genders to fuck over trans people.
So, do you want to admit that Democrats would kill less people, or not? I get you’re trying to point out these issues as equivalencies, but, like that still would mean that you agree that Democrats would have killed less people because you didn’t point out USAID issues, the one that has killed hundreds of thousands. So, let’s pretend that these are the same (they’re not, Democrats pushed for Epstein files, Newsom and Adams never executive ordered anything like Trump, Democrats are the ones pushing any amount of changes on ICE, even we both agree they’re not enough), that STILL MEANS TRUMP IS KILLING MORE PEOPLE.
We’re talking about Trump right now, and not Bush, even though our forever wars always start under Republicans.
Trump disbanded USAID. That has killed hundreds of thousands around the globe. That, alone, should be the single most obvious difference that you talk about. Like, pretend that there wasn’t a push for a ceasefire in Gaza, something that Kamala talked about constantly, or that there was some reason that Kamala would go to war with Iran. I will strongman this argument to all heck…
No Democrat would EVER DISBAND USAID. None of them. There’s no reason to. And that killed hundreds of thousands on its own. Right?
please submit a list that confirms to your original comment, without the commentary.
Moving the goalposts and lying?
Please show where I said policies. Please show where I said it. I will give you infinite time, here’s my comment. Please show where it is.
Because I can name like 5 things off the top of my head that Trump did that Kamala or any other Democrat would not have done that has absolutely killed more people.
I don’t see that. Do you? Where is it? Wanna move the goal posts again?
Was that not civilly? I was just asking questions and you refused to answer them. It seems like you’re the one not arguing in good faith. Please show where I wasn’t arguing in good faith. Because I just showed where you weren’t.
Why else pardon cross-party? Why have the last eight years of politics been “Lock Her Up!” / “It’s Mueller Time!” with no notable federal prosecutions? Why do campaign staffers and mega-donors move so fluidly between parties as they rise and fall in popularity? Hell, you don’t need the Epstein Files to get a Whose Who of high ranking officials spanning six administrations co-mingling at an exclusive resort for pedophiles. This goes back to Jack Abramoff and The Franklin Scandals. Or forget all of that and just look at how many politicians Elon Musk keeps in his back pocket.
Trump has personally operated as a bipartisan font of dubiously sourced campaign donations and kickbacks straight back to the 1980s, when he took over from his father who played the exact same games.
Because I can name like 5 things off the top of my head that Trump did that Kamala or any other Democrat would not have done
Harris, maybe? Although they were much closer on policy than anyone on either side of the aisle likes to admit. Any other Democrat? Trump was a Democrat. Straight into 2014. There’s nothing he’s done that John Fetterman or Krysten Sinema or Henry Cuellar seemed to actually disapprove of. Hell, even Hillary Clinton has remarked how she likes Trump term 2 better than term 1.
And if you care about people as much as you claim
When did I ever claim to care about you people?
Death to America. Y’all are getting exactly what you deserve.
I didn’t say “you people” or “us people” or “Americans”. I said people. Generic. Do you just not care about people in general? Isn’t that the point of leftism? You want what’s best for the most people (or at least what’s least bad for the least number of people)?
Or is that not true for you?
Like, leave the US and everyone in it out of the equation entirely, Trump has killed hundreds of thousands on his own by disbanding USAID alone. One of the worst forms of political violence in history for no fucking reason. That would not have happened under Kamala, bar none, full stop. That, alone, should be enough for you to want Democrats if you care about people. Non-US people.
I get that Democrats are not great, but if you truly care about people, then you should want to harm less of them. Less horrible regimes are better, regardless of what you think.
How manybtimes do people have to butch about it before voting in the fucking primaries to move the party left?
I’m in Texas so am more familiar with Texas numbers, and the good news is that Democratic participation in the primaries this year was about triple what it was for the 2022 or 2018 midterm cycles, driven by a particularly tight Senate primary that had received national attention due to the administration’s reactions to Volvert and The View.
The bad news is that even with the incredible relative growth, we’re looking at about 10% of registered voters engaging in the primaries.
How manybtimes do people have to butch about it before voting in the fucking primaries to move the party left?
Primaries have been hot this year precisely because lots of people are invested in seeding the next round of general elections with ideologically aligned candidates.
The problem is that it’s not just progressives wrangling for control. Quite a few conservative/corporate democrats are also heavily invested in winning these races. They’ve got a ton of money behind them, in anticipation of Dems retaking the House in 2027. And there are a number of foreign governments all putting their own fingers on the scales to make sure their interests are represented in our World Police State run out of DC.
The bad news is that even with the incredible relative growth, we’re looking at about 10% of registered voters engaging in the primaries.
I’ve seen estimates much closer to 20-30%, depending on state. Even then, a lot of these races are very localized and not well understood thanks to the geographic and population size of the districts in question. Look at the Texas statewide races. The only candidates that got any meaningful attention were the Senate primary between Talarico (a person you probably never heard of until Colbert had him on) and Crockett (a Congresswoman largely popularized through her appearances on the Congressional investigatory committee on UAFs). The gubernatorial race - arguably the most important statewide race on the ballot - went straight under the radar. A bunch of (heavily gerrymandered) US House seats got even less attention thanks to the expensive media markets and expansive voting districts. Literally who do you vote for in the TX-35 US House race? Do you recognize any of these people? Then you’ve got the outright uncontested positions - Texas AG, Texas Land Commissioner, Comptroller, a bunch of judges.
I’m friends with the guy running for the railroad commissioner down in Texas, and he’s an incredible progressive politician. He’s got my vote 1000x over. But this is arguably the third most powerful position in the state. Rosenthal took it totally uncontested. If he wins statewide in November, it won’t be thanks to an enormous campaign war chest or high name recognition. He’ll ride in on a Vote Blue No Matter Who landslide.
You need large party structures to introduce people to these candidates and advocate on their behalf. In much of the US, this party structure has been neglected if not outright dismantled. This isn’t a voter problem, it is a party problem. And it is one progressives/socialists can exploit, if they can rally the numbers and the financials to do it.
You can’t push the party left if you never hold them accountable. Biden was literally conducting a genocide in Gaza and you people were talking about Trump is going to be worse. What the fuck is worse than death? You have trained your politicians that you don’t care what they do as long as it’s them doing it
Lest we forget ICE is wildly popular with corporate democrats.
These suburban democrats like Chilidogg really piss me off with how they think we aren’t voting hard enough. We aren’t the ones you need to lecture about primaries. It’s your neighbors who say shit like “I’m fiscally conservative but socially liberal”
And don’t get me started on how the DNC stole the nomination from Bernie.
Clearly you don’t remember Jan 6th or the Biden cabinet’s failure to eject members of Congress who were acting in bad faith to push along project 2025. And don’t tell me their hands were tied, because I can just point to the shit that’s happening now. And that leads us back to the very start. Blue or red, they’re corpo facist pedos.
Amazing how people just ignore the damage Lieberman, Feinstein, Sinema, Biden, and the Clintons have done to the party and the very idea of liberalism over the last forty years.
From raising the Confederate Flag in San Francisco to authoring the precursor of the Patriot Act to locking up millions of black and brown people for victimless crimes to good old fashioned corporate selling out, these slimeballs have worked hand in glove with their “moderate” Republican colleagues to plunder out country and commit genocide abroad.
How many times does Donald Trump have to pardon Henry Cuellar before people figure out they’re all on the same team.
This comment is cuck schumer erasure
Do you really think Trump is on the same team? Do you think Kamala would have done the exact same things and killed the exact same number of people? Do you think that they would have harmed the same number of people that you claim to care for?
Because I can name like 5 things off the top of my head that Trump did that Kamala or any other Democrat would not have done that has absolutely killed more people.
And if you care about people as much as you claim, you would want them to be less harmed. Because you can STILL PROTEST things Democrats do, and people do! But Trump and MAGA, SPECIFICALLY, is killing so many more people than Democrats, many of whom align with leftist goals like women, racial minorities, and LGBTQ people.
So please tell me they are the same.
id love to have your list, just to show the democrats who supported that policy.
This is no-brain shit. It’s so easy to see the differences.
Will a future Democrat disband ICE or simply turn a blind eye to what is quickly becoming a rogue paramilitary? We’re watching politicians like Tim Walz and Tina Kotek roll over in the face of de facto martial law in their states. I don’t see any evidence to suggest a future Democratic President will rein in ICE now, given that they were unwilling to do it under Biden or Obama.
If you haven’t seen it, you aren’t looking. Half of Epstein’s Black Book was Democrats. Hell, Trump was a Democrat up until 2009. Hillary and Obama were both happy to turn a blind eye to human trafficking run out of Mar-a-Lago, when they needed Donald to donate a big cup of money.
Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks Against Iran
How Biden pushed Israel to calibrate its strikes on Iran
Bill Clinton. Michael Bloomberg. Larry Summers. The list goes on. Epstein was another liberal mega-donor and was more than happy to gather kompromat on liberals and conservatives alike.
And, again, it cannot bare repeating enough. Donald Trump was a registered Democrat until 2009.
He was a pass-thru between Epstein and the Democratic Party - particularly Hillary Clinton, during her tenure as NY Senator. There is ample reason to believe he ran in 2016 as a cat’s paw of the Hillary campaign, intending to sabotage the GOP from within.
Gavin Newsom
Eric Adams
I don’t doubt it. But it looks like it’s all bullshit.
So, do you want to admit that Democrats would kill less people, or not? I get you’re trying to point out these issues as equivalencies, but, like that still would mean that you agree that Democrats would have killed less people because you didn’t point out USAID issues, the one that has killed hundreds of thousands. So, let’s pretend that these are the same (they’re not, Democrats pushed for Epstein files, Newsom and Adams never executive ordered anything like Trump, Democrats are the ones pushing any amount of changes on ICE, even we both agree they’re not enough), that STILL MEANS TRUMP IS KILLING MORE PEOPLE.
Would they? Who is counting?
Did Obama kill fewer people than Bush? Before Libya, I would have agreed he was the lesser evil. Afterwards, much harder to say.
Did Biden save any lives when he refused to prosecute anyone in the Trump administration after taking office?
Either way, you’re not winning me over when you promise N-1 dead people.
We’re talking about Trump right now, and not Bush, even though our forever wars always start under Republicans.
Trump disbanded USAID. That has killed hundreds of thousands around the globe. That, alone, should be the single most obvious difference that you talk about. Like, pretend that there wasn’t a push for a ceasefire in Gaza, something that Kamala talked about constantly, or that there was some reason that Kamala would go to war with Iran. I will strongman this argument to all heck…
No Democrat would EVER DISBAND USAID. None of them. There’s no reason to. And that killed hundreds of thousands on its own. Right?
MONEY PIT: The Monstrous Failure of US Aid to Afghanistan
What Democrats did with USAID was worse that disbanding it.
I asked for policies.
please submit a list that confirms to your original comment, without the commentary.
Moving the goalposts and lying?
Please show where I said policies. Please show where I said it. I will give you infinite time, here’s my comment. Please show where it is.
I don’t see that. Do you? Where is it? Wanna move the goal posts again?
if you’re not willing to continued civilly in good faith, we’re done here.
Was that not civilly? I was just asking questions and you refused to answer them. It seems like you’re the one not arguing in good faith. Please show where I wasn’t arguing in good faith. Because I just showed where you weren’t.
have a nice day
Why else pardon cross-party? Why have the last eight years of politics been “Lock Her Up!” / “It’s Mueller Time!” with no notable federal prosecutions? Why do campaign staffers and mega-donors move so fluidly between parties as they rise and fall in popularity? Hell, you don’t need the Epstein Files to get a Whose Who of high ranking officials spanning six administrations co-mingling at an exclusive resort for pedophiles. This goes back to Jack Abramoff and The Franklin Scandals. Or forget all of that and just look at how many politicians Elon Musk keeps in his back pocket.
Trump has personally operated as a bipartisan font of dubiously sourced campaign donations and kickbacks straight back to the 1980s, when he took over from his father who played the exact same games.
Harris, maybe? Although they were much closer on policy than anyone on either side of the aisle likes to admit. Any other Democrat? Trump was a Democrat. Straight into 2014. There’s nothing he’s done that John Fetterman or Krysten Sinema or Henry Cuellar seemed to actually disapprove of. Hell, even Hillary Clinton has remarked how she likes Trump term 2 better than term 1.
When did I ever claim to care about you people?
Death to America. Y’all are getting exactly what you deserve.
I didn’t say “you people” or “us people” or “Americans”. I said people. Generic. Do you just not care about people in general? Isn’t that the point of leftism? You want what’s best for the most people (or at least what’s least bad for the least number of people)?
Or is that not true for you?
Like, leave the US and everyone in it out of the equation entirely, Trump has killed hundreds of thousands on his own by disbanding USAID alone. One of the worst forms of political violence in history for no fucking reason. That would not have happened under Kamala, bar none, full stop. That, alone, should be enough for you to want Democrats if you care about people. Non-US people.
I get that Democrats are not great, but if you truly care about people, then you should want to harm less of them. Less horrible regimes are better, regardless of what you think.
How manybtimes do people have to butch about it before voting in the fucking primaries to move the party left?
I’m in Texas so am more familiar with Texas numbers, and the good news is that Democratic participation in the primaries this year was about triple what it was for the 2022 or 2018 midterm cycles, driven by a particularly tight Senate primary that had received national attention due to the administration’s reactions to Volvert and The View.
The bad news is that even with the incredible relative growth, we’re looking at about 10% of registered voters engaging in the primaries.
Primaries have been hot this year precisely because lots of people are invested in seeding the next round of general elections with ideologically aligned candidates.
The problem is that it’s not just progressives wrangling for control. Quite a few conservative/corporate democrats are also heavily invested in winning these races. They’ve got a ton of money behind them, in anticipation of Dems retaking the House in 2027. And there are a number of foreign governments all putting their own fingers on the scales to make sure their interests are represented in our World Police State run out of DC.
I’ve seen estimates much closer to 20-30%, depending on state. Even then, a lot of these races are very localized and not well understood thanks to the geographic and population size of the districts in question. Look at the Texas statewide races. The only candidates that got any meaningful attention were the Senate primary between Talarico (a person you probably never heard of until Colbert had him on) and Crockett (a Congresswoman largely popularized through her appearances on the Congressional investigatory committee on UAFs). The gubernatorial race - arguably the most important statewide race on the ballot - went straight under the radar. A bunch of (heavily gerrymandered) US House seats got even less attention thanks to the expensive media markets and expansive voting districts. Literally who do you vote for in the TX-35 US House race? Do you recognize any of these people? Then you’ve got the outright uncontested positions - Texas AG, Texas Land Commissioner, Comptroller, a bunch of judges.
I’m friends with the guy running for the railroad commissioner down in Texas, and he’s an incredible progressive politician. He’s got my vote 1000x over. But this is arguably the third most powerful position in the state. Rosenthal took it totally uncontested. If he wins statewide in November, it won’t be thanks to an enormous campaign war chest or high name recognition. He’ll ride in on a Vote Blue No Matter Who landslide.
You need large party structures to introduce people to these candidates and advocate on their behalf. In much of the US, this party structure has been neglected if not outright dismantled. This isn’t a voter problem, it is a party problem. And it is one progressives/socialists can exploit, if they can rally the numbers and the financials to do it.
You can’t push the party left if you never hold them accountable. Biden was literally conducting a genocide in Gaza and you people were talking about Trump is going to be worse. What the fuck is worse than death? You have trained your politicians that you don’t care what they do as long as it’s them doing it
Lest we forget ICE is wildly popular with corporate democrats.
These suburban democrats like Chilidogg really piss me off with how they think we aren’t voting hard enough. We aren’t the ones you need to lecture about primaries. It’s your neighbors who say shit like “I’m fiscally conservative but socially liberal”
And don’t get me started on how the DNC stole the nomination from Bernie.
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no one said biden was worse, but biden loaded the gun and let the fascists start shooting.
That’s my while fucking point here.
Maybe when there’s a loaded gun, we should vote not to hand it to a madman.
Clearly you don’t remember Jan 6th or the Biden cabinet’s failure to eject members of Congress who were acting in bad faith to push along project 2025. And don’t tell me their hands were tied, because I can just point to the shit that’s happening now. And that leads us back to the very start. Blue or red, they’re corpo facist pedos.
and we shouldn’t vote for the people who would load it
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