Every fucking day it’s anothe democrat texting me, begging me for more money I don’t have.
I don’t have $5 you fucks. You stole it when you raised my taxes, gave me shit, and then bailed out more billionaire cronies.
I’m happy to rage at how terrible Democrats are. I just also want people to recognize how outwardly horrible Republicans are. I think of Democrats as capitalistic opportunists that see an illogically frothing-mouthed monster, and developed a profit means to fight it forever through virtue signalling.
By all means…that monster shouldn’t exist. Not by votes anyway. It has no logical means by which to exist, and it’s a cancer not just to Americans but the whole world. No matter how anyone explains it, I’ll never understand how people keep voting for them.
Too many comments asking us to vote for the “good cop.”. Yes, one cop is a raging asshole punched you in yhe face, and the other cop said “im sorry he’s an asshole, here have a cigarette”. THEYRE BOTH TRYING TO PUT YOU IN PRISON DONT TALK TO EITHER OF THEM.
America is a house on fire… the Republican party is throwing gas and fireworks at it, the Democrats have no idea how to fight a fire and are not sure if it’s their job to put out the fire.
You still should vote Democrat but immediately after continue to fight for complete reform
Having said that and witnessing American’s reaction to their house being set on fire was basically nothing, I am not holding my breath they won’t re-elect republicans and give them a bigger gas canister to finish the job
100 vote for the best candidate, but don’t let that distract you into thinking that’s enough. It’s barely enough to turn things around. It’s less than the bare minimum to fix your country.
You need to threaten the money to get any improvements through
Democrats are watching it burn and enjoying the show, while pretending to care by writing strongly worded letters and slamming social media posts, so that when the time comes, they can take over the government and do nothing to improve things, because they serve the same billionaire overlords pushing fascism.
Sure… but after decades of apathy, those are the only choices Americans have left. So they either die with the republicans or buy a bit of time with the democrats while they get out of this emergency
As I said, they are likely to do nothing so America is basically over
buy a bit of time with the democrats
James Baldwin, 1984
What have Americans done during this time?
To me, this is the problem… it’s not “time”… it’s that Americans seem to expect someone else will take the risk, pay the cost and do the hard work for them
Currently every excuse Americans seem to put up revolves around the idea they will not act unless someone else provides them with a solution that is:
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risk free
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cost nothing
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immediately effective
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permanent
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solved ALL problems and corollaries
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will give them 100% of the credit
Anything not marking ALL those boxes, they are not willing to do and would rather continue their (not-so) slow decline forever
Liberals do what liberals have always done. They want leftists to do the actual hard work, the grunt work to getting politicians off the ground and then they can ride our coattails as if they have supported us the entire time.
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Sure… but after decades of apathy, those are the only choices Americans have left.
Lol what? Maybe in electoral politics, but that’s just a testament to the fact that we have no chance of being saved through that route.
America is basically over
Best outcome for the human species tbf.
Democrats are the ones providing the gas
Reform is a path to failure.
so what’s the solution?
The solution is breaking Free of the oligarchy and supporting the candidates that represent the working class in government break free of the lesser evil bullshit that does not exist. Break Free of the false dichotomies that the only option is Democrats despite the fact decades show that they are not helping
What a meaningless word salad. Give concrete steps. Go.
There are literally 2 parties on the ballots.
Your solution is to vote for a third party that does not exist?.. if so, your solution is less than useless
From the outside perspective, there is one party on the ballot. They take money from the same super Pacs, from the same Ceos, from the same lobbyists, from the same bankers, for the same end game
maybe on your ballot there are only two. but not me.
I’m not USian… do you actually get the possibility of choosing something NOT republican or democrat?
so some magical non-existent party is your solution?
If Democrats didn’t keep suing to get 3rd party candidates off the ballot, didn’t restrict ballot access as tightly as they do, we would have existent 3rd party solutions. The very people you support are the ones that are prohibiting choice.
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They have no solutions, only criticism.
The solution is to get the fuck off the Internet and het involved. Go to caucuses, vote in primaries for progressive candidates like I did. I didn’t get selected as a state delegate but at least I was there caucusing for the most progressive candidates available.
This defeatist talk is cowardly.
Projection
The talk of cowards is not having the balls to do what’s right and could keep capitulating for those that are causing the problems that we’re experiencing.
Do what’s right? Can you elaborate on what that is?
Leave the country before the madness swallows us all
The number of negative and/or “just vote for democrats idiot” comments shows how brainwashed and doomed Americans really are.
Nobody’s saying that voting for the just a tiny bit slightly less evil party is wrong and you shouldn’t do it. What people are saying is that it will solve nothing and lead to no real change. At best it’ll result in Americans being ever so slightly less abused on a daily basis. Which is of course better, but still shit. That’s the main point.
To most people, it’s fine to vote for liars, scumbags, criminals, and pedophiles, as long as they’re the least bad available candidates. However, if you’re struggling with admitting that they are indeed liars, scumbags, criminals, and pedophiles, and should be at best put in prison, then I’m sorry to say, but there may not be hope for you.
Even if Americans managed to get rid of the entire republican party, and have a government purely made of democrats, it’d still be a far-right government, one of the worst on the planet. Let that sink in. All Americans deserve better. As a matter of fact, all humans deserve a better American government, since it unfortunately impacts us all. But you’re not gonna get anything close to a resonably good one by voting. It’s just not happening in our lifetimes. Likely not even our children’s. If you genuinely wish for a decent life, then you can either leave the country or prepare for mass riots. I know it sucks, but that’s the reality Americans - and everybody else - live in.
Choosing not to vote because “both parties bad” empowers the GOP and teaches the Dems to drift right because they keep losing to conservative candidates.
You move the party left by voting in the primaries for the progressive candidates. But you also need to vote for whoever gets nominated, even if they’re not progressive enough. Choosing not to vote for the Dems is beneficial to the Republicans, and supports everything that’s happening right now.
teaches the Dems to drift right because they keep losing to conservative candidates.
lmao right, they rigged their primaries against Bernie’s leftist populism because they were just too stupid to understand how much people want houses and healthcare, not because they’re owned by capitalist oligarchs or anything
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Genocidaires and their symps get no votes, sorry. I do not care if what I do is beneficial to the Republicans over the Democrats because I do not regard them as being meaningfully worse than Democrats in their actions, only in their rhetoric. My actual goal is for my actions to be contrary to the interests of the empire, and voting for Blue MAGA is decidedly not that.
Bernie lost the primaries. They weren’t “rigged”. Clinton got more votes. I teach at a university, and I don’t know how many kids I ran into who talked big game about supporting Sanders, but couldn’t be bothered to go to their home districts and actually vote for him.
Choosing not to vote because “both parties bad” empowers the GOP
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If you don’t vote, it’s your fault that we lost
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We don’t owe you anything
Dems need to pick one
John Fetterman being a perfect example of this dynamic in action
If more of people bothered to fucking vote in the primaries instead of bitching about who was selected, then Fetterman wouldn’t be in office.
The hard reality is we have a 2-party system and choosing to not participate doesn’t accomplish anything but empower those who least-represent your interests.
If more of people bothered to fucking vote in the primaries instead of bitching about who was selected, then Fetterman wouldn’t be in office.
fetterman ran as a progressive in his primary
The vote blew no matter who crew is who gave us Fetterman. They were willing to overlook his right-wing tendencies so that the blue team could be the fascist running things. The only purpose of the primary is to allow the party significant time to manufacture your approval for their hand selected candidate
You have 2 options in November. Fully-support Trump and the GOP through either voting Republican or not voting at all, or voting for the Dems, who are less-bad and can be changed over time.
If you aren’t supporting the Dems at the ballot, you’re declaring that you support ICE, the Iran and Venezuelan wars, the blockade of Cuba, the gutting of the administrative state, the suppression of the vote, the removal of Healthcare for millions, the millions of deaths from cuts to USAID, and more.
So either try and slow the bleeding or just put on the fucking red hat.
Fully-support Trump and the GOP through either voting Republican or not voting at all,
not voting is not fully supporting trump.
If you aren’t supporting the Dems at the ballot, you’re declaring that you support ICE, the Iran and Venezuelan wars, the blockade of Cuba, the gutting of the administrative state, the suppression of the vote, the removal of Healthcare for millions, the millions of deaths from cuts to USAID, and more.
this is a false dichotomy
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can be changed over time.
Can they though? They were the conservative party before Nixon, and clinton and obama both governmened from the center right. There is no history of the democrats ever being progressive besides a few politicians like Sanders Warren AOC. They never had a progressive party leader.
In hypothetical primary races between AOC and Schumer, polls have shown thay AOC would clean house. And that’s what needs to happen. New Yorkers need to fire Schumer in 2028 by selecting a progressive democract.
YOU have two options in November. The red fascist or the blue fascist. If you believe that Democrats can be changed over time then why have people been having the same discussions for decades. WEB DuBois was talking about Democrats claiming to be the lesser evil in 1956.
Under Biden ice received the largest increase of federal funding that they have ever received. They recognized Trump’s hand-picked president Guiado of Venezuela until they had to negotiate with Venezuela and then they recognized Maduro. So yes, we would be in the exact same situation with Democrats in office.
USAID was always a tool of regime change. The US created the circumstances that they would need aid, then come rushing in to provide the aid with strings attached.
Lesser evil is something that Democrats tell themselves so they can forget that they chose evil
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You cannot vote your way out of fascism. You can vote in all the progressive candidates that you want and until they are deemed to not be a threat to the status quo, they will be given no positions of power to threaten the status quo. The reform bullshit lines that they give you only prolongs their existence. They promise you that change is just right around the corner. If only you stick around long enough. Karl Marx talked about these exact same scenarios in 1860 and people are still waiting on fundamental change. In the words of James Baldwin, how much time do you want for your progress?
Hi friend, seems you’re a little confused. 👋 Voting blue empowers the GOP. 🐘 Hope that helps 😃
Amazing how people just ignore the damage Lieberman, Feinstein, Sinema, Biden, and the Clintons have done to the party and the very idea of liberalism over the last forty years.
From raising the Confederate Flag in San Francisco to authoring the precursor of the Patriot Act to locking up millions of black and brown people for victimless crimes to good old fashioned corporate selling out, these slimeballs have worked hand in glove with their “moderate” Republican colleagues to plunder out country and commit genocide abroad.
How many times does Donald Trump have to pardon Henry Cuellar before people figure out they’re all on the same team.
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Do you really think Trump is on the same team? Do you think Kamala would have done the exact same things and killed the exact same number of people? Do you think that they would have harmed the same number of people that you claim to care for?
Because I can name like 5 things off the top of my head that Trump did that Kamala or any other Democrat would not have done that has absolutely killed more people.
And if you care about people as much as you claim, you would want them to be less harmed. Because you can STILL PROTEST things Democrats do, and people do! But Trump and MAGA, SPECIFICALLY, is killing so many more people than Democrats, many of whom align with leftist goals like women, racial minorities, and LGBTQ people.
So please tell me they are the same.
I can name like 5 things off the top of my head that Trump did that Kamala or any other Democrat would not have done
id love to have your list, just to show the democrats who supported that policy.
- Disband USAID. That, alone, killed hundreds of thousands. And nobody really likes that. Like, unprecedented levels of political violence around the world because of this.
- Use ICE as their private gestapo. Send them to airports and towns and shit. ICE’s actions have killed over 5 times the number in a year as under Biden, period. Was ICE bad before? Hell yeah. But it is absolutely worse now. Pretend that’s supported by Democrats by using budget votes, that STILL WOULDN’T HAVE HAPPENED UNDER KAMALA.
- Pardon the January 6th protestors. Considering that several of them immediately went on to commit crimes against others, that’s just an easy one. Especially those child rape crimes! Idk, there’s a lot of support from Republicans on child rape that I just don’t see from Democrats.
- Team up with Israel to go to war with Iran and whoever else is Israel wants. You can pretend that there’s Democrats that support this stuff, but, literally, there is no precedent for doing that. None. And every president gets asked to do it because Israel is an ally. Should we be allies with Israel? Fuck no.
- Be a child sex predator and be Epstein’s best friend. Pretty hard to top that one, he’s literally a child rapist. Oh man, guess you can put Clinton as your ammo against that one, since they’re Democrats. Oh wait, I’m sorry, who’s responsible for those sweetheart deals? Republicans? Damn. Not again.
- Executive order two genders to fuck over trans people. Yeah, I don’t think Democrats would do this. Are they great allies? No. But are they better than Republicans? Fucking absolutely. This has lasting consequences. People are dying because of this. And Democrats just would not do this.
- Oh shit, I can keep going? Trump is using the presidency to enrich himself. He has made four billion dollars off the office, through embezzlement from crypto and bribes and a whole bunch of other shit. The Democrats or any President really has NEVER become a billionaire while OR AFTER being President. And he defrauded many people to do this too. Does it harm his base more than most? Yeah.
- Tariffs! Why would anyone use tariffs, let alone huge generic tariffs? Raised prices on all goods, illegally, and now that the Supreme Court has said they’re illegal, everyone gets to keep their huge high-costing shit. Lots more starving children!
This is no-brain shit. It’s so easy to see the differences.
Was ICE bad before? Hell yeah. But it is absolutely worse now.
Will a future Democrat disband ICE or simply turn a blind eye to what is quickly becoming a rogue paramilitary? We’re watching politicians like Tim Walz and Tina Kotek roll over in the face of de facto martial law in their states. I don’t see any evidence to suggest a future Democratic President will rein in ICE now, given that they were unwilling to do it under Biden or Obama.
there’s a lot of support from Republicans on child rape that I just don’t see from Democrats.
If you haven’t seen it, you aren’t looking. Half of Epstein’s Black Book was Democrats. Hell, Trump was a Democrat up until 2009. Hillary and Obama were both happy to turn a blind eye to human trafficking run out of Mar-a-Lago, when they needed Donald to donate a big cup of money.
Team up with Israel to go to war with Iran
Obama Order Sped Up Wave of Cyberattacks Against Iran
How Biden pushed Israel to calibrate its strikes on Iran
Be a child sex predator and be Epstein’s best friend.
Bill Clinton. Michael Bloomberg. Larry Summers. The list goes on. Epstein was another liberal mega-donor and was more than happy to gather kompromat on liberals and conservatives alike.
And, again, it cannot bare repeating enough. Donald Trump was a registered Democrat until 2009.
In a 2004 interview, Trump told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer: “In many cases, I probably identify more as Democrat”, explaining: "It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans. Now, it shouldn’t be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats…But certainly we had some very good economies under Democrats, as well as Republicans. But we’ve had some pretty bad disaster under the Republicans."In a July 2015 interview, Trump said that he has a broad range of political positions and that “I identify with some things as a Democrat.”
He was a pass-thru between Epstein and the Democratic Party - particularly Hillary Clinton, during her tenure as NY Senator. There is ample reason to believe he ran in 2016 as a cat’s paw of the Hillary campaign, intending to sabotage the GOP from within.
Executive order two genders to fuck over trans people.
Oh shit, I can keep going?
I don’t doubt it. But it looks like it’s all bullshit.
I asked for policies.
please submit a list that confirms to your original comment, without the commentary.
Do you really think Trump is on the same team?
Why else pardon cross-party? Why have the last eight years of politics been “Lock Her Up!” / “It’s Mueller Time!” with no notable federal prosecutions? Why do campaign staffers and mega-donors move so fluidly between parties as they rise and fall in popularity? Hell, you don’t need the Epstein Files to get a Whose Who of high ranking officials spanning six administrations co-mingling at an exclusive resort for pedophiles. This goes back to Jack Abramoff and The Franklin Scandals. Or forget all of that and just look at how many politicians Elon Musk keeps in his back pocket.
Trump has personally operated as a bipartisan font of dubiously sourced campaign donations and kickbacks straight back to the 1980s, when he took over from his father who played the exact same games.
Because I can name like 5 things off the top of my head that Trump did that Kamala or any other Democrat would not have done
Harris, maybe? Although they were much closer on policy than anyone on either side of the aisle likes to admit. Any other Democrat? Trump was a Democrat. Straight into 2014. There’s nothing he’s done that John Fetterman or Krysten Sinema or Henry Cuellar seemed to actually disapprove of. Hell, even Hillary Clinton has remarked how she likes Trump term 2 better than term 1.
And if you care about people as much as you claim
When did I ever claim to care about you people?
Death to America. Y’all are getting exactly what you deserve.
I didn’t say “you people” or “us people” or “Americans”. I said people. Generic. Do you just not care about people in general? Isn’t that the point of leftism? You want what’s best for the most people (or at least what’s least bad for the least number of people)?
Or is that not true for you?
Like, leave the US and everyone in it out of the equation entirely, Trump has killed hundreds of thousands on his own by disbanding USAID alone. One of the worst forms of political violence in history for no fucking reason. That would not have happened under Kamala, bar none, full stop. That, alone, should be enough for you to want Democrats if you care about people. Non-US people.
I get that Democrats are not great, but if you truly care about people, then you should want to harm less of them. Less horrible regimes are better, regardless of what you think.
How manybtimes do people have to butch about it before voting in the fucking primaries to move the party left?
I’m in Texas so am more familiar with Texas numbers, and the good news is that Democratic participation in the primaries this year was about triple what it was for the 2022 or 2018 midterm cycles, driven by a particularly tight Senate primary that had received national attention due to the administration’s reactions to Volvert and The View.
The bad news is that even with the incredible relative growth, we’re looking at about 10% of registered voters engaging in the primaries.
How manybtimes do people have to butch about it before voting in the fucking primaries to move the party left?
Primaries have been hot this year precisely because lots of people are invested in seeding the next round of general elections with ideologically aligned candidates.
The problem is that it’s not just progressives wrangling for control. Quite a few conservative/corporate democrats are also heavily invested in winning these races. They’ve got a ton of money behind them, in anticipation of Dems retaking the House in 2027. And there are a number of foreign governments all putting their own fingers on the scales to make sure their interests are represented in our World Police State run out of DC.
The bad news is that even with the incredible relative growth, we’re looking at about 10% of registered voters engaging in the primaries.
I’ve seen estimates much closer to 20-30%, depending on state. Even then, a lot of these races are very localized and not well understood thanks to the geographic and population size of the districts in question. Look at the Texas statewide races. The only candidates that got any meaningful attention were the Senate primary between Talarico (a person you probably never heard of until Colbert had him on) and Crockett (a Congresswoman largely popularized through her appearances on the Congressional investigatory committee on UAFs). The gubernatorial race - arguably the most important statewide race on the ballot - went straight under the radar. A bunch of (heavily gerrymandered) US House seats got even less attention thanks to the expensive media markets and expansive voting districts. Literally who do you vote for in the TX-35 US House race? Do you recognize any of these people? Then you’ve got the outright uncontested positions - Texas AG, Texas Land Commissioner, Comptroller, a bunch of judges.
I’m friends with the guy running for the railroad commissioner down in Texas, and he’s an incredible progressive politician. He’s got my vote 1000x over. But this is arguably the third most powerful position in the state. Rosenthal took it totally uncontested. If he wins statewide in November, it won’t be thanks to an enormous campaign war chest or high name recognition. He’ll ride in on a Vote Blue No Matter Who landslide.
You need large party structures to introduce people to these candidates and advocate on their behalf. In much of the US, this party structure has been neglected if not outright dismantled. This isn’t a voter problem, it is a party problem. And it is one progressives/socialists can exploit, if they can rally the numbers and the financials to do it.
You can’t push the party left if you never hold them accountable. Biden was literally conducting a genocide in Gaza and you people were talking about Trump is going to be worse. What the fuck is worse than death? You have trained your politicians that you don’t care what they do as long as it’s them doing it
Lest we forget ICE is wildly popular with corporate democrats.
These suburban democrats like Chilidogg really piss me off with how they think we aren’t voting hard enough. We aren’t the ones you need to lecture about primaries. It’s your neighbors who say shit like “I’m fiscally conservative but socially liberal”
And don’t get me started on how the DNC stole the nomination from Bernie.
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How was Biden worse than this?
no one said biden was worse, but biden loaded the gun and let the fascists start shooting.
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Nobody’s saying that voting for the just a tiny bit slightly less evil party is wrong and you shouldn’t do it.
I am, actually. Signing your name to greenlight internationally-recognized genocide in order to protect your own comfort - in other words, valuing your privilege above the actual lives of thousands of other human beings - is wrong and you shouldn’t do it.
If you’re told that’s the cost to save our nation, or to avoid having to fight a fascist government, or whatever other bullshit Blue MAGA wants to sell you, the correct and moral response is, “That price is too high and I refuse.”
I totally understand your sentiment and I believe a very interesting, as well as productive discussion can, and perhaps should, be made on this topic.
Of course, I have no doubts there are many people who’d completely agree with your stance. This was, however, not the main focus of the discussion, which is why I decided to leave it on the side.
Feels like a lot of people are just fed up with the whole system at this point.
Yah I never for that. Republicans in power they can do anything. Democrats in power well we have to follow protocol and tradition and nothing gets done.
Democrats will brag about the number of people they deport and regimes they change when they’re in charge
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That’s because Americans refuse to primary sitting democrats.
Americans routinely try and fail to oust Dem incumbents.
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Aoc has the most diverse district in the nation, yes, she’s great but that’s not working anywhere else besides the four or five districts that have progressive reps.
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I’d point out the work of Lina Kahn under the Biden administration as head of the FTC was very progressive until it was dismantled by the current corrupt administration.
Putting Lina Khan as the head of the FTC was a concession the Biden admin made to the more progressive Elizabeth Warren wing of the party.
Yes exactly! The Democratic Party was forced to give out a concession to progressives because progressives got involved and help get Biden voted in.
Be that as it may, any real progressive movement is almost certainly unintentional, given the ruling parties’ record on everything that isn’t wholly symbolic.
Go vote in a primary.
Lol delusional
The Dems rig their primaries, and not only that, they argued publicly in court that they have every right to do so.
The things is that they do have the right to do so. If they were to simply, unilaterally declare which candidates they’re going to put forward that too would be perfectly legal. There is no law mandating primaries. The parties are Independent organisations and how they pick their candidates is entirely up to them. If you were to create a brand new party and pick which candidates you’re putting forward by drawing straws that would be perfectly legal too. Both parties just choose to hold primaries because for one thing it picks a candidate more likely to win and secondly it obscures how much democracy has been undermined in the US. The systems have been rotting well before Trump.
All true. It’s an absolutely shit system for 99% of Americans, and it always will be, because this country doesn’t exist for the 99% and never has.
If that were true Analilia Mejia wouldn’t have beaten Tom Malinowski. She did.
If that were true, Cuomo would’ve beaten Mamdani. He didn’t.
If that were true Janet Mills would be winning her primary. She’s not.
Yep, we’ve thwarted them for now, in a few exceptional instances.
But a few examples don’t matter in the long run. Look at what happened after Ross Perot. They’re already figuring out how to strengthen their hold on our institutions so these few scattered examples aren’t repeatable.
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It’s okay. Cognitive dissonance is a big thing with partisans of both team colors.
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Glad to see I’m not the only one. Have a great day. :)
You’re getting mobbed by angry Yanks. They need to spend some time out of the country. I lived there awhile before going home and I still cannot understand how they can be so blind about their own political systems. I suppose the indoctrination runs deep.
True, but it’s okay.
Then when I tell people on here that both parties are only acting in their best interest and should be disbanded, I get labeled some sort of “shadow nazi” or something equally idiotic because I’m not in lock-step with some leftist tankie.
Y’all, political parties exist for themselves alone. They are not your friends or allies. They are vampires which have infiltrated every facet of our lives.
Although that is true, you were never promised a fair world.
You need to use all your cunning and what little power you have to best negotiate the one you live in. Being able to vote democrats in gave you two parties to play against each other. The option of a lesser evil.
By not voting, and allowing the republicans to stack the supreme court, non-voters gave away their last bargaining chip.
It is not the parties that will burn.
Being able to vote democrats in gave you two parties to play against each other.
*Two parties to be played by. The existence of two parties allows the ruling class to launder their neoliberalism and/or fascism through a “legitimate” political process. If there was only one party people would actually take to the streets.
You need to use all your cunning and what little power you have to best negotiate the one you live in.
And maybe there’s a way to do that better than carrying water for the “lesser evil” that ends up losing to fascists anyway? The model you’re proposing has decisively failed anyway; might as well try something else.
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How’s that trying something else going for ya?
Liberal lesser evil gave us incremental fascism
Refusing to vote for the imperfect candidate over the literal fascist gave us fascism.
Democrats are not imperfect candidates, they are the blue shade of fascism doing what fascists do to hold into power.
imperfect candidate
I have to correct this:
imperfect candidategenocider who also outright ignored that you’re being robbed of your labor and you are no longer paid enough to buy food. And for added fun, the candidate doesn’t have a working brain anymore.Imperfect indeed. I wonder just how badly Democrats have to fail before you’d change your behavior.
genocider who also outright ignored that you’re being robbed of your labor and you are no longer paid enough to buy food.
The Biden years were the absolute best years in living memory for lowskilled labour opportunity and wages.
You hated it because it made doordash cost more and you interpreted help wanted signs in storefronts as high unemployment.
The Biden years were the absolute best years in living memory for lowskilled labour opportunity and wages.
LOL, taking a bit of liberty with the words ‘living memory’, and further, you’re wrong. It’s why Harris eventually had to turn to gaslighting us on affordability and the economy, because all of the facts and figures seem important if you’re not someone who shops for yourself, minds your own children, or has to actually manage your own bills.
You hated it because it made doordash cost more and you interpreted help wanted signs in storefronts as high unemployment.
No, I hate it because, under Biden, it became a thing that the billionaires weren’t satisfied with housing, education, health care, and child care becoming cost-prohibitive. Now, food is too, and the Biden/Harris campaign just ignored it.
But since you mention DoorDash, I will admit to being a little angry that my eighty year-old parents have to work for DoorDash or face the reality of homelessness in America. Bummer that I can’t have a president who cares about people being able to afford groceries no matter who I vote for.
LOL, taking a bit of liberty with the words ‘living memory’
No, the Biden economy was the best for low-skilled workers that you can remember unless you can remember FDR.
and further, you’re wrong. It’s why Harris eventually had to turn to gaslighting us on affordability and the economy
You’re smart enough to understand how the billionaire controlled media manipulates the public on police violence and Israel, but not smart enough to figure out that they were doing the same thing for Biden’s economy.
Why? Because shitting on Democrats confirms your biases so you turned your brain off.
No, I hate it because, under Biden, it became a thing that the billionaires weren’t satisfied with housing, education, health care, and child care becoming cost-prohibitive.
There was a global inflation crisis. None of the rising costs had anything to do with anything Biden did. In fact, Biden managed the crisis better than any other leader in the world.
Biden wasn’t perfect, especially when it came to Israel he was total shit, but he was the most pro-worker President of our lives and the Billionaires, small town business owners, and Media hated him for that and relentlessly hammered into people’s heads that the economy was bad. Now we’re actually living through a bad economy and there’s hardly a peep out of anyone about it.
Curses! You’ve cracked the code! This is the very first generation to believe in morality, and that fixed everything!
By increasing suffering, you’re actually better than everyone else, see! It’ll get way worse, eventually failing, and in that power vacuum, only good people will seize control!
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about?
Don’t call them non voters. They made a choice and their vote is being counted by the analysts. They’re neutral voters.
At the Democrat strategy meetings where they run the numbers and decide on the party platform, these people are considered part of the “apolitical” demographic. The Democrats are stupid and will move the party platform rightwards to try and appeal to them. Principles don’t fix stupid.
To be fair, I live in a country where you can vote for a 3rd or 4th or 5th party and your vote still counts, because that’s how democracy should work.
In the US, I would probably be considered one of my ‘non-voters’.
In the US you would be considered a nuisance by the politicians of both established parties for feebly trying to disrupt their plan to usher in fascism under the guise of free choice. We’re not going to be able to work the sides against each other, because that’s like trying to call out from the audience of a play to try to influence how the story ends. Their actions are designed to influence us, not the other way around. The only way voting helps in the US is to buy time to coordinate the revolution while Democrats are still playing the role of the idiot.
We’re not going to be able to work the sides against each other, because that’s like trying to call out from the audience of a play to try to influence how the story ends
True, but you can influence the ending of a play by going backstage and putting on a costume. In America they call that a “primary” and it’s how Zohran Mamdani became the mayor.
True, but just because you put on a costume and go backstage that doesn’t mean you’ll get a lead role in the play, or even a role at all. I do vote in my primaries, and I’m very hopeful of Mamdani, especially with help from AOC and Bernie, but I can’t help but feel like I’m being tricked into pacificity; I picture a scenario were a few outspoken antagonists are allowed a place on the stage only to give the like-minded audience hope, but are never given a plot-relevant role.
I think it’s a big mistake to equate hope with inaction. Hope should spur you to act more. Don’t listen to these doomers who want you to do nothing.
When I say “hope” I mean “hope that things will resolve themselves without me having to do anything,” which is what nearly every left-leaning person I know in real life is hoping. It certainly doesn’t spur very many people to act more. They see Mamdani as “the world is healing,” which just means “great, I don’t need to change my behavior at all!”
“Maybe we can do a bit more genocide to find a middle ground between those who want to kill latinos and those who dont”
Like I said, they’re stupid.
Like I said, principles don’t fix stupid. If you don’t vote, they’ll just act stupider.
Voting for them certainly hasn’t fixed them so far. Maybe they just can’t be fixed?
That’s no reason for you to vote centrist and make them even worse. Use your vote to stop things getting worse, use your hands for direct action to make things better. You can’t make things better while they’re getting worse.
No imperialism, conservatism, reactionism or Zionism, lessor evil rhetoric. Dismissing 3rd party votes or ‘wasted votes on 3rd party’ is lessor evil rhetoric.
The lesser of the evil BS is the reason why there is so much non voters. If they decide to vote there is no guarentee that they will not vote for facists. When people vote for third party they still get shames
You can’t make things better while they’re getting worse.
Yes you can; in fact that’s usually what happens. That aside, no reason not to vote Democrat, but it’s simply not a viable way of holding back fascism. Also, lesser evil politics can and does directly contradict with direct action (see: Gaza protests during Biden’s term), so “let’s just do both” is only remotely viable when the Democrats aren’t in power. When they are, you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We’ve seen this movie before.
you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We’ve seen this movie before.
if you voted for them you voted for genociders. You’re an utter piece of shit.
The two party system will prevail as long as you keep voting for the same two parties.
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Could the Democrats that are going further to the right? They’re filling the void. Republicans left as they shift to the right. It’s liberals that have blood on their hands. So in the meantime, fuck off.
The opposite
Ah yes if you don’t vote for genociders you’re a genocider. Water is dry and war is peace.
I hope your mum gets liquified by iran
Fuck the democrats. We still have to vote for whatever the other option is here. There are Christi-fascists in power right now. I would fucking love to get excited about a candidate that has an actual plan to materially improve the lives of the working class. But we are not in that position right now. We are fucked, so let’s get literally any non-fascist in to the Presidency. From there we have to find someone who will take us leftward.
Abstaining is a selfish position.
There is a path we have to follow to get where we need to be. Israel should be made to pay dearly for what they have done and continue to do. The entire government as well as anyone who has served in the IOF should be at The Hague.
Grow the hell up.
Your vote has never made an impact on policy. Most nonvoters have realized this, their material conditions are unchanged regardless which shade of fascism is running government.
Yeah man.
Kamala would have deployed ICE on american cities, kidnapped Maduro and started a war with Iran. 🙄
Fuck outta here with “material conditions remain unchanged.” What a stupid and wildly priviliged thing to say.
She just supported over funding ice, funding a genocide than denying one was going on. Supported ‘the strongest, most lethal fighting force in the world.’
She was first term trump in blackface.
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And no material conditions didnt improve under biden. We saw the highest jump in homeless ever recorded. Auto repo s through the roof, credit card debt skyrocketed, 72% lived paycheck to paycheck.
Saying a black woman exists in blackface is crazy racist.
Holy shit.
If she has the exact same policies, talking points and politics as the old white guys running the country, she is a black woman in blackface. She represents empire, she represents us imperialism and colonialism. It’s not racist.
She’s what Malcolm X, a black man, called a house negro
Nothing like a white guy calling a succesful black woman “a house negro.”
Youre so far gone you cant even hear yourself. Wow.
Im sorry the people who love you allowed you to become this way :(
A black pedo is still a pedo A black rapist is still a rapist A black capitalist is still a capitalist A black neoliberal POS is still a neoliberal POS
Liberals try to weaponize a persons gender and race to try and silence valid critique.
how do you know their race or gender?
Lesser evil doesn’t exist, that’s bs liberals tell themselves to distract from the fact they chose evil
Being unable to perceive a spectrum is a special kind of stupid. There are many degrees of bad, and many degrees of good.
There are!
The democrats are bad
Go vote in a primary
So they rig it for the 4th time in a row?
Gaza/Palestine would still be screwed, but would a Harris-Walz administration threaten Canada, attack Venezuela and capture Maduro, engage in piracy and extrajudicial killing in the Caribbean, attack Iran and cause the Hormuz Strait to close, put a tax (tariff) on virtually everything Americans buy? Would they encourage universities to arrest students for not being Israel cucks, would they make regulatory mergers contingent on fealty to them? Would they cancel land leases and try to cancel partially built offshore wind farms, and dump taxpayer money on companies to burn coal unnecessarily and to build oil and gas infrastructure? Would they continue the massive wealth transfer enabled by Republicans’ 2017 tax cuts or allow them to expire? Would immigration forces be used to kidnap random people on the street, and as a President Harris’ personal goon squad? Would they elect to blow up the relationship with virtually every allied country, such that they become hesitant when they actually need help?
This is just what I can think of off the top of my head. Not all evils are created equal. Trump, MAGA and Republicans are special breeds.
they encourage universities to arrest students for not being Israel cucks
They already were in California and NYC
Democrats need to go back to combating hypercapitalism, that portion of politics was the most popular in all of US history up until the late 1900s.
I can explain it like this: The most popular president in history is either George Washington, or Franklin D Roosevelt. Washington could have been king, but set it aside (undisputed badass). FDR was the only president in history to be elected for more than 2 terms (he was elected as president 4 times). FDR helped usher in those “magical” 95%+ tax rates on millionaires and implemented strict business and wealth restrictions. FDR’S “socialist” programs were insanely popular, even amongst non-democrats… no one could successfully run against him. We need someone like that.
Democrats need to go back to combating hypercapitalism
Guessing that, looking at their own stock portfolios and exploding wealth, and now their ability to increase it exponentially by insider betting on prediction markets, that they don’t feel the urgent need to do much of anything about it beyond pretending to give a shit and then trying to curb stomp any real progressive who gains traction, like they did to Mamdani and Graham Platner.
100% agree, they have been corrupted by “Citizens United” as well.
They weren’t corrupted by citizens united. This is who theyve always been, they just needed a legislative solution to justify their corruption
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There are no solutions now, only collapse, and history demonstrates that it will. Mamdani’s election will do some limited good for sure, and that’s great, but the establishment will learn from that loss and determine how to prevent it in the future, just like they did after Ross Perot got so close to the presidency.
The only power you or I have is local, and I’d advise you to be involved locally as a voter and if you have the time and money, to run yourself. (And, generally, to just do good things in your neighborhood like picking up trash or handing out sandwiches to homeless people.)
The only exceptions to that are being a billionaire or being willing to go full Player 2 like a certain CEO-hating Italian.
Primarying might work on the local level, but it won’t work for any national office, because Democrats do not have to play by any rules or honor the result. If they did, we’d have just witnessed the end of a second Sanders presidency, we’d all be making a living wage, and cost of living would actually be affordable.
I do love your ‘complaining’ comment though, as if I’m the problem.
There are no solutions now, only collapse
Sure.
Sanders
2016 Democrat Primary Popular Vote
Hillary: 16,917,853
Sanders: 13,210,550
2020 Democrat Primary Popular Vote
Biden: 19,080,074
Sanders: 9,680,121
I’d love for Bernie Sanders to be president. The bottom line is America wasn’t ready for it. Which is why he lost the popular vote both times.
The only power you or I have is local
You realize we locally vote for our representatives in Congress, right? They can be primaried. Primarying members of Congress absolutely changes the face of a party and shifts its values.
If voting worked your party wouldn’t be first term trump conservatives
Why don’t you just delete all my comments?
Your post history suggests you only post in your own sub as it’s the only place you can silence the people you don’t agree with.
Big coward vibes.
Im not the one incapable of reading community rules telling you to leave your bullshit liberalism at the door. This very post is about people like you. Liberals that love coming into communist spaces and trying to colonize it with your bullshit, then rant when your colonization isnt tolerated.
You can leave if you want, since you clearly hate it here. You have a clown image for a reason it seems.
The US was ready for it, but he was a party sheepdog who was never gonna win. His sole purpose in the elections were to keep disenfranchised voters rounded up in the party until it was too late to form outside coalitions.
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Vote blue no matter who after we purposely screw over the progressive candidate and put in a milque toast corporatist going after the former Tump supporter votes.
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Wouldn’t be where we are right now
We’d be happily contributing to genocide in Gaza not suffering any oil price hikes smh
Given they absolutely do not fully leverage what power they have when they have it, I fail to see how giving them more power consistently over the years would have changed anything. They’re sponsored by the same corporate interests as the Republicans.
They’re basically the same party, but with a nicer face. They’re the good cop to the bad cop, but they’re both cops. You’re not going to get improvement if you just keep electing the nice cops. They’re still just cops.
They’re basically the same party
That’s the most asinine thing I’ve heard all day. This administration legit has talked about putting people in work camps, and you’re over here yelling “bOtH sIdEs”.
Our country is covered in work camps and has been for decades, open your eyes and see.
Our prison system is an issue. But that is not at all the same thing as what’s being talked about.
Well, in my personal opinion the USA shouldn’t be forcing prisoners to work in camps with no pay, all the while claiming that we don’t have work camps.
But I’m a stickler
Oh they pay them, usually a few cents to dollars on the hour, well below minimum wage. But that’s a way different thing than putting people in death camps, which everyone knows that’s what’s being talked about in this administration. You’d have to be extremely naive to think otherwise.
Republicans are putting people in work camps. Democrats are collectively doing scarcely little about it.
CLEARLY these groups are bitter rivals, fighting tooth and nail, not at all just one acting as controlled opposition. You all just have to vote harder next time, right? Then they’ll try harder!
I can’t believe you lot can’t see this. The rest of us do and my decade in your land just drove the point home. Do they not teach you about the events that led up to Nazi Germany?
Do they not teach you about the events that led up to Nazi Germany?
Why do that when if you educate people, they might ask too many questions. Vote Blue No Matter What They Support!
If you’re not allergic to data, take a look at the last time Democrats controlled all three branches of government and everything they accomplished in that short span of time. Then when you’re done with that eat shit for echoing russian propaganda without even the tiniest bit of verification.
Like the ACA which was going to be universal healthcare originally until they decided to try working with the Republicans who gutted it then not vote for it?
Edit: Let’s not forget they were opposed to gay marriage until it started getting more support, it was Al Gore and his wife behind the movement to censor and control music produced, Biden supported more funds for police as well as military equipment in addition to making student loans harder to discharge. Yeah, the Dems have done a great job thus far, can’t wait to see how they status quo at best more.
You don’t get it. Here’s how it works.
My husband really loves me. Once we went on holiday and had a marvelous time. I had to save and pay for it, but I think that’s fair: just like he says, he can only be a good husband if I support him. He’s often gone for weeks and leaves me to care for everything, but he’s doing the best he can. He just gets so much flak from his brother at the family business that he can’t do any better! The company is doing well but my husband says that money needs to go to their investors, so I’m working two jobs to support us. He’s asked me to start an OnlyFans so he can afford a car to help his new lady friend! He’s so sweet.
Not all of his family is as great as him, though. His brother treats me poorly, taking money from our home and telling me I need to submit to my husband and home school the children from the Bible. My husband told me that his brother is going through a hard time and if we pushed back too much it could wreck the family business. He told me I need to try harder so he can try to protect me and that if I don’t support him no matter what, it’ll get worse and I’ll have nobody to blame but myself. His friends and family all agree. They’re so smart!
I’m trying harder. It seems worse, but he says we’re almost there and I just have to give it my all! When it seems too difficult, I remember that glorious holiday. He surprised me with a stay at one of America’s finest luxury resorts: the Motel 6 in Jacksonville, Florida! They even had a pool! My favorite memory was when he brought me a gourmet meal made by Ronald McDonald, an American celebrity chef, and let me stay all by myself while he went boating with his mates. I even saw in his email that they paid a real escort service to take them! I saw on its website that even the fishing guides are beautiful in America. He came back tired, sweaty, and smelling of fish. He said they lost the catch, but they tried again the next day, this time with different guides! My man never gives up!
I know things will be better like that again. Someday. I just have to try even harder, no matter what.
In 72 days they passed an insane amount of progressive legislation, and you minimize these accomplishments down to a single bill that you then completely dismiss because it’s less than perfect. Fact is the ACA made healthcare more affordable for American citizens and improved our every day life. It’s a shame they weren’t able to pass a public option due to holdouts like Leiberman, but this attitude of letting perfect be the enemy of even the slightest improvement is exactly why we keep sliding backwards.
The rest of your comment is completely unrelated. I hate Tipper, too. What’s your point? What position of power has she ever held? How is she or anything you’ve mentioned at all related to Obama’s short-lived democratic supermajority?
The point is that they’ve not been as progressive as people like you make them out to be. There are some good people in the party but the likes of Schumer and Pelosi needed to have retired a long time ago. You’ll not find much love for the neo-liberals here, they’re still far too conservative of people.
That’s not what I’m saying at all. Or course the party that encompasses every person that’s not a racist sociopath isn’t perfect. Of course ‘vote blue no matter who’ won’t save us in itself. Rather than tear the whole party down with misrepresentations of how ineffective they are, let’s show our support for progressive candidates. Instead of holding Dems to impossible standards then letting them be replaced with Republican dipshits when they fail to meet those standards we need to be pragmatic about putting people on the ladder who can actually accomplish things, and instead of just complaining about the party as a whole we need to actually participate in the process. This leftist apathy towards the Dems only pushes both the party and the country further right. That’s why spreading the kind of propaganda like OPs comment is so highly valued in Putin’s playbook The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia. Just like w/ Project 2025 it is all written out for us and yet we still walk right into the trap of petty squabbling while these evil bastards take ever more from us.
I already have, but thanks for making a response based on assumptions you couldn’t possibly know.
I lived in your country for years. It’s not hard to see this from the outside, but so many Americans are clearly indoctrinated into simping for their team. Their “improvements” during that time were solidly center to center-right policy, which was then systematically picked apart thereafter.
You’re all like abused children with two manipulative abusive parents. Just because one makes dinner on occasion doesn’t mean they’re any good, only that they’re placating you before you do anything effective about their behavior.
Okay Boris.
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Lmao. Okay, Boris.
I did, they couldn’t even manage to pass higher minimum wage. But they did save 50,000 dockworkers!
Unions fell from 40% to 10% of work force (since 1970s), good job “labor party”
Not Russian propaganda, fucking facts
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Mmm. Reddit levels of censorship.
you can leave
That’s a lot of cope you got there.
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Sure we would. Trump was a Democrat, he endorsed Hillary Clinton for Senator and played golf with Bill.
They’re the same people.
Oddly, a lot of them are members of the Council on Foreign Relations. Kinda weird. Check it out! Obama was in CFR, so was Biden and Bush.
You’re part of the problem.
Can I have a laugh at who supposedly is the ‘progressive’ yet part of the blue side of the Uniparty?
Rare Bloomcole W.
You don’t get anywhere by whining about it.
You get somewhere by building political power. Either inside a party or build your own. The tea partiers did it, maga did it. The left can do it.
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MAGA took over because the next stage of fascism is another hard shift to the right with liberals in lock step behind them to fill that void. You cant vote your way out of fascism
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The US is built around a party system (and typically a 2 party system). Like it or not, that’s what it is. No amount of crying on the internet is going to change that.
So either burn shit in the streets, or work within the system. Bitching about it while not voting as a “protest” just puts the absolute worst shit hawks in power.
It’s a two party system, but every so often an old rotten party gets torn down and replaced with a new one.
voting is what puts politicians in power.
The former appeals. Need critical mass though so set the engines to warp 10.
The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.
- Julius Nyerere
burn shit in the streets is your best option.
But knowing how potty trained to “work within the system” you all are and there is zero chance for you pacified slaves.
Resign in your fate and get what you deserveYou first
Not from the banana republic.
We do and did it when necessary
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Obviously, the only way to end FPTP while working within the system is to vote for people who are against FPTP.
If they don’t oppose FPTP, then they are fine with Republicans and are playing you for a fool. Yes they know, everyone has known since the 2000 election.
FPTP is not the problem, that works well for presidentials, which is what everyone cares. The problem is with Winner Takes All and electoral college, which means your vote is worth very little in all but swing states.
FPTP doesn’t work well at all for presidential elections. FPTP is infamously why George W. Bush became president. It’s why we have a “two” party duopoly who want to keep it that way.
No objection to proportional representation, but that’s a little further out than “can we vote for people who are actually good”. It’s a much tougher sell.
Same with the electoral college - sure it sucks, but that’s not why otherwise good people vote for genocide.
FPTP doesn’t work well at all for presidential elections. FPTP is infamously why George W. Bush became president.
Al Gore won the popular vote in the 2000 presidentials, which in a true FPTP, would have netted him the POTUS.
Trump also lost the popular vote, but Clinton got really screwed by the Electoral College. Would life (in the US) have been better if Al Gore and Hillary Clinton had been made presidents instead of Bush and Trump (notably two of the worst presidents)?
Maybe. But the fact is that under a purely FPTP presidentials, Bush would not have won.
No offense, but were you an adult by 2000? The popular vote wasn’t done counting until after the Supreme Court ruled in Bush’s favor. Had there been no spoiler effect, it wouldn’t have been close, and the Supreme Court wouldn’t have ruled on it.
I am not American and I just read the wiki page over…
