• NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
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    4 days ago

    As much as I hate Israel, no. Israel is being allowed to pull this shit by the American political establishment because ultimately Israel and America’s goals in the region align. Of course by America’s goals I mean the goals of the American ruling class. Israel sucks, but for the most part they’re an extension of America’s will.

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      Yeah, and the Roman Empire lasted until 1453, but that doesn’t mean what people think of when they say Roman Empire didn’t collapse in 476 (and the Byzantine Empire in 1204).

      Whatever’s left of the USA in a few decades might call itself USA (well, one or two bits of it might, others most definitely won’t), but it evidently won’t be the USA as we understand it today, and neither would any hypothetical future union or coalition of those fragments.

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        I mean, both of your examples were conquered from outside. If anything the Mongol Empire or Alexander the Great’s empire might be better comparisons to what you want to get across and in that case who’s going to take the role of Alexander’s generals? Gavin Newsom? Chuck Schumer? All the people in a position to pull something like this off are pussies who wouldn’t pull the trigger in a million years. If they weren’t they’d do literally anything to take power back from the fascists. It’s strongly worded letters all the way to the gulag on this ship.

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      what a complete load of BS. How is stealing land from Lebanon, Syria, Gaza and the West bank in Americas interests? How is getting the entire Middle East angry at us worth any of that? You are just another zionist trying to blame Israels terrorism on Americans.

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        Okay so for starters I am not a Zionist and that’s not an accusation that should be made lightly in 2026. That aside,

        How is stealing land from Lebanon, Syria, Gaza and the West bank in Americas interests?

        It’s probably not; that’s the price of their cooperation. It’s the more or less self-sustaining forward base and intelligence gathering machine in the region that’s in America’s interests. There needs to be an effective stick to keep all the US vassals in line.

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          For starters, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…

          And what proof do you have that the US is the one with vassals? Who has benefitted from all this conflict for 80 years? How many operational US military bases are there in Israel, vs in that region but outside Israel?