We NEED to Give a Foreign Country FULL ACCESS to our Taxdollars and Military Intelligence!
-America First People!
“forever” lol. Laws can be un-made little man.
Kinda feel like both of these countries aren’t going to be here much longer.
Israel yes, America no. The only way America wouldn’t be here much longer is if a civil war happened (and even then it’d need to end in a stalemate), and there are simply no two sides with the guts to escalate things that far. MAGA and the rest of the far right have it in them to pull such a stunt if their grip on power is challenged, but would the center-left to center-right respond in kind? Absolutely not. Unfortunately America isn’t going anywhere.
MAGA goons are shooting people in the streets and running concentration camps for dissidents. What do you mean there’s no escalation?
So like I said, you need at least two sides willing to escalate things that far before a civil war breaks out. The right is absolutely willing to escalate as much as it needs to get its way, but who else is there? The combined center-right and center-left have done nothing but capitulate. They seem to have no intention to do anything but capitulate (and hold a few parades every year).
if a civil war happened (and even then it’d need to end in a stalemate), and there are simply no two sides with the guts to escalate things that far.
That can easily escalate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Cities
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The soviet union doesn’t exist anymore and didn’t require killing millions to end it.
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but not a whole lot changed internally and externally.
Good Lord, your education system is truly fucked
Depends which area of the union you are looking at. Poland is doing pretty well for themselves now.
Poland was not part of the USSR.
True, but it didn’t help them much.
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This isn’t really true internally for Russia. The USSR collapse was the result of the greed of the government officials who are now the Russian oligarchy (in collaboration with some Ukrainian officials IIRC who wanted to break away from the USSR?). The USSR didn’t even have a stock market, and the “government” installed one for the specific purpose of allowing government officials to buy up major parts of the economy to become billionaires practically overnight while they caused a major economic recession to ensure that nobody else could profit from the short entry window because they were too busy selling off their heirlooms to buy bread. It’s called Shock Therapy, and the Russians flew out at least one or two Wall Street execs in order to help them set the whole thing up. Modern Russia operates a lot like the US (at least economically).
A US dissolution would be very different. The USSR had one country that dominated everything. When it broke apart, Russia alone still represented an overwhelming majority of the former Soviet block’s population, economy, etc.
That really isn’t the case with the US. The largest state, California, only represents about 11% of the whole US population and a bit more on the economy. California would not dominate a post-dissolution US the way Russia dominated the former Soviet block. The big US states would be more the first among equals than the 800 lb gorilla in the room.
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You’re assuming that people act in their own interests. Conservatives will happily ruin their lives because an oligarch told them to. Just look at Brexit. Or…literally anything that happens in Republican states.
Yeah I think a breakup of the US would result in several successor nations. The 50 wouldn’t remain independent for long. But that does illustrate the key difference between this and the case of the USSR. It’s likely that such successors would have a much more equal share of population and economy than the post-Soviet case.
Though, another key difference is the history the US has for Constitutional conventions. Let’s imagine the federal government goes away completely. By whatever means, 50 states are now independent nations. And as you note, after awhile most will get tired of being small tiny nations of little international clout. Now, one option would be the formation of new nations, perhaps formed from the regions of the old US. But there would also be folks running around calling for an entirely new Constitutional convention. Just a complete rewrite. And it is tempting to say that things are so contentious now that there’s no chance the US could ever ratify a new Constitution. But, any Constitution would have to be adopted unanimously. This would be someone trying to get 50 independent states to merge. Each one individually could still say no. Which means that any new Constitution would be moderate and also structured with the kinds of grand bargains and compromises it took the original one to pass. If especially the new independent post-US states had some time to cool off, I can imagine after a few years a new movement to create a new Constitution would get going. There’s already clear historical precedent for it.
If the US falls apart, I would expect it to be a very bloody affair. Not just red state vs blue state, but also city blue against countryside red. The trauma of that would likely be sufficiently deep to keep folks apart for a couple of hundreds of years.
People living there is irrelevant for the countries existing, people where living on land long before the concept of nations was invented and they may still after the concept of nations has faded in time.
Or, you know more likely in the current climate: government false, power vacuum becomes violent power struggle and at the end a new nation is born with a fresh start to repeat the cycle of competitive imperialism.
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This is just some idea, not very much thought put in it yet but what if,
Every US state became its own independent nation and the US tried to survive as a “EU” type of union.
I suppose the union would fail as some states with more military resources may decide to wage war to control neighbouring resources. But the huge international power would be gone and divided in smaller powers.
If it would survive as this type of union it shows that all the different states can work together as equals which is a better foundation then what there is now.
Now if we also divide up russia and china this way at the same time we might actually solve a lot of international tensions at once.
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Smaller countries don’t necessarily have better behaviour, its just their actions are less significant than major ones.
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Oh downvotes might still be coming, but i might have some luck as i believe europe is about to wake up and hold a majority engagement on lemmy.
I fucking hate this guy. He’s on the Sunday morning shows all the time, and he’s a straight up MAGA traitor. No doubt he’s in the unreleased Epstein Files.
Slow motion invasion. Israel is colonizing America for money and bodies to fight their wars.
As much as I hate Israel, no. Israel is being allowed to pull this shit by the American political establishment because ultimately Israel and America’s goals in the region align. Of course by America’s goals I mean the goals of the American ruling class. Israel sucks, but for the most part they’re an extension of America’s will.
Yeah, and the Roman Empire lasted until 1453, but that doesn’t mean what people think of when they say Roman Empire didn’t collapse in 476 (and the Byzantine Empire in 1204).
Whatever’s left of the USA in a few decades might call itself USA (well, one or two bits of it might, others most definitely won’t), but it evidently won’t be the USA as we understand it today, and neither would any hypothetical future union or coalition of those fragments.
I mean, both of your examples were conquered from outside. If anything the Mongol Empire or Alexander the Great’s empire might be better comparisons to what you want to get across and in that case who’s going to take the role of Alexander’s generals? Gavin Newsom? Chuck Schumer? All the people in a position to pull something like this off are pussies who wouldn’t pull the trigger in a million years. If they weren’t they’d do literally anything to take power back from the fascists. It’s strongly worded letters all the way to the gulag on this ship.
what a complete load of BS. How is stealing land from Lebanon, Syria, Gaza and the West bank in Americas interests? How is getting the entire Middle East angry at us worth any of that? You are just another zionist trying to blame Israels terrorism on Americans.
Okay so for starters I am not a Zionist and that’s not an accusation that should be made lightly in 2026. That aside,
How is stealing land from Lebanon, Syria, Gaza and the West bank in Americas interests?
It’s probably not; that’s the price of their cooperation. It’s the more or less self-sustaining forward base and intelligence gathering machine in the region that’s in America’s interests. There needs to be an effective stick to keep all the US vassals in line.
For starters, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
And what proof do you have that the US is the one with vassals? Who has benefitted from all this conflict for 80 years? How many operational US military bases are there in Israel, vs in that region but outside Israel?
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2.2 million…. Damn that freaking annoys me. An entire state with senators…. And that’s just the size of the city I live in, that gets gerrymandered to hell.
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Arkansas? No.
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Yeah the Arkansas lefties really lettin us down
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The American people do not want to see our military and/or intelligence agencies combined with Israel, or any other nation. This is a seriously losing issue for either party, if ambitious candidates are willing to take a stand on it.
Anybody who supports this should run out of office.
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Yeah. Just hasslin’ the lefties who don’t live anywhere near Arkansas. For funsies.
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Understood. Dog forbid you claim the wrong side. Or even the wrong part of the wrong edge of the wrong area of the right side.
Not a lot of MAGAts around here so when you get called a “libtard” you know it’s not the MAGA version of the libtard despite it being used the same in every practical aspect.
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Republicans: do dumb thing You: “How could leftists do this?
Seems like Cotton knows the winds changing, and is trying to legislate that the weather vane be welded in place before it does.
The cancer is metastasizing
Every republican will vote for this and 6 democrats.
Lefties on lemmy will immediately tell you it’s the democrat’s fault.
Always just enough dems for it to happen. Always in safe seats or not running for reelection, always…
As a uniparty they alway find just enough votes for their legislation to pass.
I never really understand these comments. Like what do you all expect exactly? We already think the Republicans are bad. They’re the bad guys. They’re the villains. We expect them to do the bad thing. They’re all fascists who are trying to murder a lot of us.
I just don’t understand what you’re expecting from me with these kind of comments. Congratulations? I mean saying that most of you don’t vote with Republicans is like bragging to me that most of you haven’t raped someone today. You want a cookie?
Jesus Christ buddy, why are you sitting there thinking of rape?
There’s lots of things you don’t understand, like how those “bad-guy” Republicans depend on the “good-guy” Democrats to pass their legislation as a matter of routine.
If you sit at the table with rapists, aren’t you a rapist? Or nazi. Whatever.
They’re the same guys, and those labels demonstrate why this simple “good guy/bad guy” routine is so successful (and has been since the days of Rome).
I would, yes. If I need to have not raped anyone today to get it? Well, so be it.
To be fair to the lemmy leftists in this hypothetical, often when a few dems break rank, that means leadership picked the fewest, safest ones to take the heat. AIPAC and centrist Dems are problematic. (Although lemmy leftists will shit on all Democrats because they want Republican whackjobs to run this country into the ground.)
because they want Republican whackjobs to run this country into the ground
Leftists want our party to stop supporting genocide.
And if we cant have that, then yes we have no choice but to burn it all down.Why is “no genocide” such an awkward ask in your eyes? why is it so much to ask from dems?
What an absolutely wild conclusion to draw from your premise.
Exactly. They don’t want it to pass, but they don’t want to taint all their members, so they just choose a few that won’t feel the heat as much. The result is that it passes, so they get what they want without exposing their members to voter anger, and they can claim they were against it, but those damn Republicans keep winning somehow, even when they’re not in power.
That is absolutely what we want. Thank you for understanding, yes.
those darn democrats!
Wasn’t the CIA founded with the former head of the SS and many of their staff…i am willing to be wrong but I seem to remember reading something about that when we brought the Nazi scientists and all that…
Operation Paperclip was real but the CIA wasn’t founded by (German) Nazis. IIRC NATO had ex-nazis in its founding but they were like Wehrmacht or politicians not SS.
Now the CIA did organize former SS agents in West Germany to act as terrorists/partisans should the Soviets invade in the German version of Operation Gladio.
You’re possibly confusing the CIA with the Gehlen Organisation, set up by US intelligence in the US zone of occupation, with the eponymous head having been head of Wehrmacht military intelligence for the Eastern Front. It later was absorbed into the BND (W German intelligence).
I love that operation paper clip is so well known. I remember when it didn’t have a name and the suggestion itself was a “conspiracy theory”
The problem is that Operation Osoaviakhim is not well known.
Operation Paper Clip was one out of hundreds of operations during that time that imported thousands of Nazis.
Operation Paperclip
This tells me Mr. Cotton’s on video in Israel’s databases doing unspeakable things.
The good news is it won’t be full bipartisian. Plenty of junior politicians know which way the wind is blowing here. But its still going to pass and it will be largely bipartisan.
Fuck Tom Cotton
I miss the days when the conspiracy theories were about black helicopters and the UN taking over the US military.
These were stupid too, but at least they didn’t give off antisemitic vibes.
