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This man is an idiot who needs to be hung drawn and quartered
Have him torn apart by horses he is tied to his his arms and legs that are told to run in opposite directions
Rip him apart and let the birds eat his entrails
“There are more people that die in Europe from heat deaths than people that die from gun deaths in America. Why aren’t you writing an article about air conditioning?” asked Musk.
“Well, we’ve done several on air conditioning, and we had on our cover last week a whole long piece about…” said Beddoes.
“Pro-air conditioning?” Musk asked sheepishly.
“Very pro-air conditioning,” she responded. “You should read us sometime.”
It’s kind of the perfect moment. Musk throws out some meaningless gotcha and then asks why the media isn’t talking about something that he’s become hyperfocused on. In his ignorance, he demonstrates they actually are writing about the thing he cares about. And he just looks like an idiot.
I especially liked this part. The video of this exchange is even better! He thinks he’s sooooo smart with these middle school level retorts…
“I didn’t see it, so it must not exist” – world’s richest man; also infants under a year old who haven’t yet developed object permanence.
I dunno man, my 7 month old has at least an inkling of object permanence, so gotta bump that ager down to like 3-4 months old imo!
Mines coming up on 5 and still no idea i exist when we peekaboo
The should definitely have object permanence by age 5
Celebrating 5 decades of peekaboo thrills
5 months my dude
This got me thinking of what a wild experience that must be for a baby. And what a weird thing “peekaboo” is that we just do to babies and they love it and it’s so fun for both parties
Is this something that humans have done with their babies forever? Is this a type of oral tradition humans have adopted that transcends cultures?
I went looking and found this:
https://uwaterloo.ca/childrens-communication-lab/sites/default/files/uploads/files/fernald.peekaboo_1993.pdfIt is a really fun read and it seems peekaboo is a game played worldwide with parents and infants
Babies forget we were there, but love that we came back, and we get a dopamine hit from the smile they give us. It’s probably an evolutionary ancient game.
I haven’t read the link above, but do any other animals play like this? I think wolf pups and dogs might do this too, not to mention apes, bears, any probably most other non prey animals. Or animals that raise their young for any significant amount of time.
He thinks he’s sooooo smart with these middle school level retorts…
Whataboutism is central to conservative “discussion”.
Given all that, HuffPost asked the White House: Who picked Budapest?
White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt responded minutes later with: “Your mom did.”
White House Communications Director Steven Cheung after a minute added the far more succinct: “Your mom.”
Her career should have been over at that point. Unbelievable.
“He thinks he’s sooooo smart with these middle school level retorts…”
Given all that, HuffPost asked the White House: Who picked Budapest?
White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt responded minutes later with: “Your mom did.”
White House Communications Director Steven Cheung after a minute added the far more succinct: “Your mom.”
The reporter fact checked that their mother in fact did not choose Budapest as the location. /lh(?)
“A quarter billion people follow me,” Musk said, referring to his X followers, adding “I think a lot more people actually like me than don’t.”
trillion bucks, thirsty AF
LOL didn’t he start forcing himself to be followed by default on Twitter? That’s even more pathetic.
Guess he stole that idea too.
Haha I was thinking about that too. Poor Tom was at least wholesome about it.
“Because everybody should have a friend.” 🥹
I miss that era of the world wide web…
Tom also let you unfriend him at least. Musk shovels his shit down your throat.
“Tom, you’ve been replaced.”
Not to mention the bot farm he paid for.
What’s this, a rich man forcing himself on others?
I didn’t think serious adults used follower numbers to justify anything. Especially when you’re talking about followers on your own personal Nazi platform.
You’d be surprised how many such losers walk amongst us
Lmao what a nerd
you misspelled
psychopathNah, I think they were trying to spell ‘nazi’. Four letters, starting with n. Already pretty close.
Why would he care about how many followers he’s got on Xitter anyway? He’s already hardcoded it to promote his posts to every single Xitter user, whether they’ve followed him or not.
Yeah Elon, and Tom was really friends with everybody on Myspace, too. Sure thing, bucko.
He is easily one of the most hated people on this planet, especially after the murders he committed by cutting all those federal services that help people.
He’s a selfish prick that ignores charity and flaunts fascism openly, complete with a televised salute attributed to one of the most evil men to ever walk the earth.
Musk insisted backyard tomatoes weren’t as good as those you can buy from the store, but people still do it anyway.
Spoken like a man who has never grown tomatoes at home.
I hated tomatoes until I ate a home grown Black Krim sandwich. Now there’s the added benefit that I know it’s not covered in salmonella or diarrhea parasites.
My neice apparently “hated” tomatos until she tried a cherry from my greenhouse. She ate six of them and every time she came over patted the outside of the greenhouse singing “mato mato mato please”
Most store sold tomatoes aren’t allowed to ripen on their own and their flavours are totally messed up as a result
Most store sold tomatoes aren’t allowed to ripen on their own and their flavours are totally messed up as a result
This is what many people need to learn and it applies to many varieties of fruit. Most fruits can’t ripen after being picked. They just soften and rot.
Because everything he says, no matter how trivial, is wrong. The man is incapable of being correct about anything.
He’s correct about The Culture being an amazing vision of how humanity’s future could look like. He’s absolutely off his rocker about how to get there
The Culture IS “fully automated luxury queer space communism”, that’s just a straight-up summary of it. In The Culture:
- it’s communism. There’s not even money.
- everyone can “gland” drugs for pleasure, performance or to change their sex. How the fuck does that match Musk’s anti-trans shit?
- diversity permeates everything; obviously internally, but also externally, as they try to get along with everyone who isn’t a galactic imperialist threat. How the hell does that match Musk’s xenophobia?
It’s weird how Musk seems to basically be a tankie: he wants to achieve communism by any means necessary …
Honestly it’s batshit that anyone can read The Culture and NOT understand the entire point is that The Culture persists and succeeds where others fail because of it’s values and diversity. Very much including those constant sex changes and anarcho-communism/socialism.
Hell, the Idiran war (for those not familiar, a horrible war that takes place in the first book and the rest of the books in various ways deal with the fallout and trauma from it) is entirely about fighting a jingoistic, imperialist force before they gather enough strength to inevitably destroy the culture.
This tells me that either Elon has never actually read them, or that he’s a moron.
Probably both.
I guess i got to read them more. I only read Player of Games and Consider Phlebas and my take away was that they have what’s almost a paradise but it’s still fucked up.
A common mistake readers make is that they believe the Vavatch orbital is Culture. It’s very definitely not, so all the unsavory stuff going on there isn’t a reflection of the Culture. Not Damage, not the Eaters (they hate The Culture!), and so on.
Use of Weapons, Consider Phlebas, and to a lesser degree Player of Games are mostly outsider perspectives of The Culture, so that warps judgement a little too.
IDK if Iain Banks could have made it clearer that Vavatch is non-Culture. I guess us only knowing drones and orbitals from The Culture made some readers conflate the two societies despite their extreme moral differences.
I also only ‘read’ as an audio book so i might missed a few details. I was not even referring to Vavtch. But the cia shit they pull in PoG.
The Culture doesn’t believe in non-interference. But it’s not “CIA shit” if they’re actually doing it to influence a society to become better rather than just pretending that that’s the goal in order to take their oil.
But that is just their idea of better.
Can bet he doesn’t even knows how the inside of a store looks like, neither how a stores tomato tates like. His personal chef must source them from an specialty farm or even grow them itself without Musk even knowing about.
both of his foods are cocaine and ketamine. and some dom perrignon.
Seriously. Vine ripe tomatoes are literally the best candy in the whole god damn world.
He’s such a fucking fraud
I could never get my sandwiches to flower
Yeah, home grown actually have flavour. The shit you buy in supermarkets mostly just tastes of water because it’s been harvested too early and shipped halfway round the world. I got some really yummy orange cherry plants going at the mo, can’t remember the variety but I’ve finally learned to get blight resistant varieties.
I’ve never gotten anything of significance from my grows. A Handful of tomatoes, shrunken zucchini. I don’t know how people produce anything that makes a dent in their grocery bills without significant cost and time investment. Do you own land? Are you working like a farmer?
I live in a van on a disused carpark, so everything I grow has to be in pots. The key is regular feeding - I use an organic seaweed extract. Comfrey tea is good if you don’t want to spend money, fuckin stinks tho.
Edit - eating some of my tomatoes right now, actually, with a bit of cheese. Yummy!
Yeah, I think the most classic rookie gardening mistake is thinking that plants only need water. They need nutrients just like the rest of us. By only giving plants water they basically starve to death when they have depleted their growing soil of nutrients.
Gardening is a skill like any other
A skill that can be learned and practiced to gwt better at.
I use 15 gallon fabric planters successfully. Get a good indeterminate variety going and it’ll take off.
I’m not good at it by any means, but it’s a process and it gets easier. I am also not at the point where it could save me money after year 1, but Ive learned and I can see it. The most important steps for me… First step, wait for snow and buy a greenhouse when it’s super cheap, you will want bigger than you think. Greenhouses can also get too hot, figure out a plan for that. Second step, buy seeds for plants farmers actually grow in your climate not just the ones in the store. There are more varieties of individual plants than expected and ones bred for your climate will grow drastically better.
Try something like these for venting.
https://www.farmstandapp.com/364268/best-solar-vent-openers/
This was a quick search to give an idea of what is out there. I think the ones I got were <$40.
How is that mediocre nazi cunt still getting media coverage when he should be treated like he’s never existed?Men like that don’t coil when they’re hated. They melt when they’re ignored.
New America is your answer.
Thats just celebrity culture. Thats global. We all pay too much attention to ppl who ultimately dont matter/dont deserve it
Caring what one the richest people in the world wants/says is only partially celebrity culture.
He is directly responsible for significant portions of our country’s space program and has personally altered our government’s structure and spending, resulting in at least thousands of deaths, so far.
Pretending his thinking is as inconsequential and ignorable as any other moronic Nazi on Twitter is about as dumb as worshipping him.
600-750,000 Deaths alone are due to his dismantling of USAid.
“has already caused the deaths of six hundred thousand people, two-thirds of them children,”
Hundreds of thousands through the destruction of usaid alone
Thats just celebrity culture.
What kind of weak shit is this. We’re talking about Nazis and eugenics and you come up with ‘boys will be boys it’s our fault for not looking away’
But it kind of does matter because of the influence he has. I would love to ignore him, but fact is he has a lot of control on our lives.
How is that mediocre nazi cunt still getting media coverage
Maybe you don’t understand what the media is.
You get it. Too bad most don’t.
I tried looking it up but I still don’t understand
Musk insisted backyard tomatoes weren’t as good as those you can buy from the store, but people still do it anyway.
I’m curious when the last time this man made his own meal was.
What can one tomato cost Michael, ten dollars?
there’s always money in the afghanistan
Plundering Afghanistan is so passé, it’s all about Iran and Gaza now
yeah but that didn’t rhyme.
Iran rhymes but I still prefer Afghanistan. The cadence is the same as banana stand
bananastan, the real banana republic!
we already forgot venezuela even happened…
I came to make my own comment on this. In a vast amount of stupid shit he’s said this might still be the dumbest thing.
Home grown tomatoes are like an entirely different fruit, they taste so, so, so much better than any store tomatoes I’ve ever had.
It’s hard to even eat store bought now after growing our own.
This is so outrageous it completely undermines his entire point.
I enjoy how riled up you are over this topic.
Guy Clark knew what was what.
I don’t think I’ve ever had a store tomato that’s tasted as good as the worst home grown.
Some of the heirlooms can be pretty good, if pricey.
“Home grown tomatoes grow in the dirt. Do you want to eat things grown in dirt?” - Musk probably.
The superiority of homegrown tomatoes is like THE universally agreed upon gardening fact that everyone who’s ever had a garden knows. People go their whole lives thinking they don’t like tomatoes or that they taste bland and then they try a homegrown one and they’re like “Wow, that’s what this is supposed to taste like?”
“And also, if you look at the people that are employed at my companies. You know, we have senior executives of all races. I don’t think there’s any racism there.”
Tesla settles with three workers as Fremont factory racism cases by hundreds of workers continue
440 workers filed five lawsuits, with 54 to 98 plaintiffs in each, seeking damages over the alleged racism at the Fremont plant. As of July 24, the number had grown to 854 workers in 10 lawsuits with 54 to 106 plaintiffs each.
This word… I do not think it means what you think it means
He said senior executives, not workers!
this bitchass can just lie, or say anything he wants, nothing happens. no repercussions, nothing. why does he even struggle?
just say whatever is expedient for you. we hate you. and wosh you a slow death by cancer regardless of what u say
eugenic loving nazi queen
We’re only about halfway through Act 2. We’re still in the middle of the story, and there is a lot yet to be written.
Holy shit he has no idea what real life even is
his 14+children all come from IVF, of course he is out of touch. granted he was out of touch when he mangled his penis by doing a enlargement surgery.
Wait what? XD
Rumor has it that he tried to get a penis enlargement surgery, which failed, resulting in his need to 1) eternally prove his manhood to the world in other ways 2) artificially inseminate all the women that has birthed their 14 children.
Second one is verifiable, rest is more vague. Can’t personally attest to the truthfulness of the botched penis surgery, but he sure acts like a dude with a astronomical inferiority complex.
Also, typing that thing about his 14 children made me do a double take. Bros trying to start a fucking dynasty. The musk clan shudder
he said he wants the populated with his “children” only. hes basically a eugenics fetish,
I wouldn’t be a eugenics fetishist with that face.
A notable thing the article doesn’t specify is that when the pasty pap smear and the journalist discussed his constant idiotic claims that “UK is inevitably headed for civil war”, first he said it was a natural consequence of people having different points of view. Okay… she disagreed and he insisted she just didn’t know because she lived a “cloistered life”. Ah yes, obviously this trillionaire moron who has been rich all his life doesn’t lead a cloistered life. He’s a real man on the street.
“If you have vast numbers of robots with vast amounts of digital intelligence, you have a sort of a quasi-infinite economy,” said Musk. “The future is going to be very, very different from the past. There’s no analogy or metaphor that I think illustrates the magnitude of change that we’re going to experience here.”
This is a classic argument from ignorance. “If I don’t know about something, then it doesn’t exist.”
But one very stupid thing about his statement is that there is obviously an analogy. It’s just like when people openly owned slaves. Slaves do all the work, and the master profits. Or, you could say it’s just like the life Musk is living right now.
Fuck me, the word “robot” is even derived from an Old Slavic word meaning “slave.” It’s right there in the fucking name. But Elon doesn’t know about it, so I guess it doesn’t exist…
Musk is like a slightly smarter version of Trump discovering the word ‘dumb’ has a ‘d’ in it. He delights in using words like ‘quasi’, because he thinks it makes him sound like some sort of ahem uber-intelligent god-man who he thinks everyone should worship.
Basically, he’s a needy little bitch.
There’s also all the backend that he doesn’t care about. The power and the materials required for those robots and digital intelligences comes from a place, it doesn’t just materialize as parts for your stupid Optimus.
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There a quarter billion morons out there following Leon Hitler. If you own a Tesla, you’re supporting a fucking neo-Nazi.
hes not a normal person, so dont ask normal questions. especially one thats on ketamine/cocaine, and been buddies with ghislaine.
He suggested that everyone read Iain Banks for a vision of the future, and Beddoes pointed out that Banks was a socialist. Musk insisted he wasn’t.
Criticizing a thing as socialism when it’s actually capitalism. Describing a socialist utopia and insisting it’s not socialism. This isn’t a thing unique to Musk. Why are people like this?
People like Musk are so high from huffing their own farts, they can’t even conceive of the possibility that they might be wrong.
A simplified and opinionated explanation:
During the red scare, the boomers were programmed to be scared of anything remotely communist. The middle class was allowed to exist as 'muricas bling mostly to distract from the societal improvements theorized by socialist philosophers. In the 50s in America, they gave us just enough for people to shut up and try to be happy for 50 years while the underlying systems were being broken even worse than before. Some people are particularly susceptible to this and would trade their freedom for a tide pod, a stick of gum and a pocket constitution while rabidly denouncing socialists (even those who advocate for the benefit and fair treatment of non-socialists and socialists alike). Socialism is painted with the brush of it’s biggest failures; capitalism is only painted from the angles that make it look good and hide it’s collateral fallout.
Tl:Dr 50+ years of social conditioning and societal sculpting done to ensure scary communists from the 1940s and 50s don’t call you comrade.
socialist utopia
As someone who has read all the books in Culture series I would (and will if provoked) argue that, as most books about utopias, it’s actually describing a dystopia. No idea if it’s socialist or not, but in the society Banks is describing people are reduced to the role of pets, not equal partners of AI.
That’s the “fully automated” part of “fully automated luxury gay space communism”
Not really, human agents are still highly valued, hence the combo of human+drone team. If what you said was correct then they’re have just used avatars for everything. Djan Seriy Anaplian for example was a fucking badass.
Yes really.
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Straight out in the first book Culture is shown as the bad guy, civilization that is not alive and has to be destroyed. It wins eventually but the point stands: Culture kind of like the Borg, absorbing humanoid species and growing without limits.
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No other civilization relies on AI as much. In Hydrogen Sonata you have good description of other civilization that uses digital constructs that are still based on humans, not pure AI. There’s clear distinction between AI controlled Culture and other civilizations. Why other civilizations don’t use AI as much? Because they don’t want be controlled by it.
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It’s clear AI likes to use people so it manipulates them to do what it wants. Player of Games is clear example of that. In State of the Art AI straight out assassinates a guy who doesn’t want to follow its orders.
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In State of the Art Culture is also shows as sterile and boring. Everyone behaves because they don’t have a choice, their actions are meaningless, they don’t really control or anything or advance the civilization.
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People have more of a sentimental value for AI. It does recognize human as intelligent the same way we recognize that animals are alive. People are sure taken care of but everything is run by AI. People are just pets.
Straight out in the first book Culture is shown as the bad guy, civilization that is not alive and has to be destroyed. It wins eventually but the point stands: Culture kind of like the Borg, absorbing humanoid species and growing without limits.
No, not really. Very intentionally by Banks, we see the Culture through the eyes of Bora in the first book. Bora hates the Culture, for his own ideological reasons. He believes that the Culture makes people soft and complacent and lacking agency, but we’re shown in the book how he’s wrong.
Further, he allies with the Idirans - a strictly worse civilization: brutal, imperialist, religious zealots who squash the civilizations they capture below their feet, breeding and dumbing them down to serve them.
The Culture is absolutely nothing like the Borg. The Borg forcefully concquer unwilling participants and suppress their individuality to force them into essentially slave labor.
The Culture grows by the merit of people wanting to join it. No-one is forced to. Their ideals are just something resonating with people. Individuals’ needs are fully taken care of, but in complete opposite of the Borg, it’s to enable each member to fully flourish and live their life to their own aspirations, free from material desperations.
I’m sorry, but what you originally wrote is exactly something that would come out of Bora’s mouth, and is just as wrong.
(Btw Banks has talked about how he wanted to first show the Culture through the lens of an enemy, and then dismantle that distorted view.)
No other civilization relies on AI as much. In Hydrogen Sonata you have good description of other civilization that uses digital constructs that are still based on humans, not pure AI. There’s clear distinction between AI controlled Culture and other civilizations. Why other civilizations don’t use AI as much? Because they don’t want be controlled by it.
True, but again, this is something that other civs say about the Culture, not literal reality. Humans, drones and Minds are not equally powerful, sure, not even close; but that there’s no (systemic! Stories sometimes focus on rogue individuals, be they human or machine!) abuse of this, that the Culture is as equitable as can reasonably be imagined, is one of its strengths.
It’s clear AI likes to use people so it manipulates them to do what it wants. Player of Games is clear example of that. In State of the Art AI straight out assassinates a guy who doesn’t want to follow its orders.
Yes, somewhat. The stories intentionally focus on the fringes of the Culture. (Plus, Gurgeh actively decides that he WANTS to get into Contact/SC, knowing that this sort of thing happens, and then is used as a pawn). Regarding the killings: this is part of accepting machine and human equality. If you would bind these superhuman Minds via Three Laws of Robotics or the like, then suddenly we have a class of oppressed machine beings.
I think the main point here is: we focus on the interesting bits and outliers (as Banks himself said), and as I tried to describe above, this issue is not systemic. We see, what, 5 cases like this? In a galaxy of trillions.
In State of the Art Culture is also shows as sterile and boring. Everyone behaves because they don’t have a choice, their actions are meaningless, they don’t really control or anything or advance the civilization.
Somewhat true, but again: you’re mixing what a character expresses about their perception with literal reality. A character, for that matter, who already was on the fringe of the fringens, being an SC agent. It’s also heavily implied that he simply romanticizes earth. Earth is backwater, exciting, chaotic; but if he really just wanted “non-stagnant”, he could have kept his relative safety and went into any of the non-Culture, but alien-acquainted civs.
And heavy, HEAVY disagree on the Culture being meaningless: this even is discussed in the books themselves! The Culture does, from time to time, debate its right to exist; why not sublime? And the answer is, because they’re doing measurable good.
We also see the culture change pretty drastically between, say, Consider Phlebas and Player of Games.
People have more of a sentimental value for AI. It does recognize human as intelligent the same way we recognize that animals are alive. People are sure taken care of but everything is run by AI. People are just pets.
Once again, this is a sentiment expressed by some characters, not literal reality. However, I actually think it’s somewhat close to true. At least in the following sense:
If Minds would stop caring about humanity tomorrow, then Culture citizens would be fucked, the same way your dog would be fucked if you stopped feeding it tomorrow.
However, where the analogy breaks down is that Minds don’t cage, neuter, steal from the wild, or restrict humans and drones. They took over production, transport and so on not because they wanted to keep humans in check, but because to them it’s literally no bother; so why not? Seems like a nice thing to do! I.e. its altruism, and without strings attached.
Note also that the “humans are just pets” argument is expressed multiple times by characters in a derisive way, but never shown to be the truth, and arguably the books show how and why it’s wrong.
Banks and his characters do examine the Culture from various, critical perspectives, which is why I’m so confident to say: the Culture is a Utopia.
(One we’ll never reach.)
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The Culture is described as a libertarian utopia (EDIT: libertarian socialist? I think I misremember. At least socialism as a word doesn’t appear), except that the habitat minds are benevolent and you have practically socialism because nothing costs anything. Not even land really because they can build as many orbitals as they want. They have zero laws. You can also see it as an anarchist utopia. You have no market and no capitalism. Basically once you have AGI and full abundance, economic systems like capitalism/socialism don’t mean anything any more.
Only ethics matter then, which Musk is incapable of because he’s a malignant narcissist. And he has been actively trying to create a malignant (anti-woke) AI.
The Culture is some sort of quasi-anarchic non-capitalist thing, though it’s hard to say for sure. It certainly is not capitalist, though, as the role of profitable production is not to increase the capital of those who already have it. Nothing is really socialized, though, and private property does seem to exist, so I don’t know that I would consider the Culture socialist or even communist. Maybe some sort of anarchic post-communist utopia.
In any case, Musk is a fucking idiot. Just a genuinely foolish person. And, like, yeah, Banks himself was a socialist.
Right it would be called revisionist. The idea that socialism is one rigid set of prescriptive ideals is a misconception, at least to most political scientists. There are of course Orthodox Marxists, but nobody really takes them seriously outside of their little internet fiefdoms. For most other political philosophers, socialism is a range of beliefs and practices loosely tied together by the desire for, or belief in a post capitalist world. How you get there and what it exactly looks like is the topic of much debate, to the point where it usually feels counterproductive to even get tied up in labels. This “proper noun” philosophy is a good way to get oriented out of the gate, but the real work comes in how those labels get reduced to first principles more than the labels themselves.
Narrator: “But he did care. He cared a lot. In fact, he was desperate for people to love him, and proclaim him the best person in the history of humanity, in any field of endeavour. Desperate”.
