They also killed Israeli civilians and I don’t think it’s right to kill civilians, whether it’s Israeli or Palestinian civilians, Jewish or Muslim, or anyone else.
Obviously Palestinians are underdogs against Israel, and I think what Israel is currently doing to Palestine is terrible and wrong. I still don’t think killing civilians is a good answer to that problem though.
Not a justification, but one of the problems with Israeli conscription laws is that service is mandatory, and everyone who serves is obligated to be a reservist until the age of 40 and even 50 depending.
It gets real hard to distinguish if any given individuals in Israel are one of the limited populations exempted from serving in the IDF.
It seems some people refuse to serve, and sure such people might be rare, but they may still exist. And you might have someone who served in the IDF because they had to, but afterwards they have campaigned for an end to compulsory IDF service, and for Israel to recognise Palestine, etc. So I just think it’s wrong to harm civilians.
Anyway, I hope Palestinians can live in peace without Israel murdering Palestinians, and without Israelis taking Palestinian land, etc. I hope everyone in that area can live in peace and with equal rights. I don’t approve of any killings of civilians, whether it’s by Hamas or Israel. Some people say “Israel has killed far more civilians than Hamas has, since October 2023”, and yes that’s very likely true, but that doesn’t mean Hamas killed no civilians.
In the post you’re replying to I am just specifically talking about the question of whether Hamas killed civilians or not, because the post I replied to claimed:
Its been very well proven Israel slaughtered many of its own citizens that day, not Hamas.
It’s completely consistent for me to say that I regard Israel’s genocide against Palestinians as wrong, and I also regard Hamas killing Israeli civilians as wrong. You might say Israel’s genocide is far more significantly wrong, and yes I would agree with that, given the scale of suffering caused. But I still think harming civilians is wrong, whether it’s Palestinian civilians, or Israeli civilians, or anyone else.
You’re doing functionally the same thing now, so not very convincing
In the post you’re replying to I am just specifically talking about the question of whether Hamas killed civilians or not, because the post I replied to claimed:
And that post was in response to your “but what about October 7th!” deflection.
It’s completely consistent for me to say that I regard Israel’s genocide against Palestinians as wrong, and I also regard Hamas killing Israeli civilians as wrong.
And in 1945 you would have been saying “it’s completely consistent for me to regard the Holocaust as wrong while also regarding the Warsaw ghetto uprising as wrong!”
You might say Israel’s genocide is far more significantly wrong, and yes I would agree with that, given the scale of suffering caused. But I still think harming civilians is wrong, whether it’s Palestinian civilians, or Israeli civilians, or anyone else
“You might say the Holocaust is far more significantly wrong, and yes I would agree with that, given the scale of suffering caused. But I still think harming civilians is wrong, whether it’s Jewish civilians, or Nazi civilians, or anyone else”
They also killed Israeli civilians and I don’t think it’s right to kill civilians, whether it’s Israeli or Palestinian civilians, Jewish or Muslim, or anyone else.
Obviously Palestinians are underdogs against Israel, and I think what Israel is currently doing to Palestine is terrible and wrong. I still don’t think killing civilians is a good answer to that problem though.
Not a justification, but one of the problems with Israeli conscription laws is that service is mandatory, and everyone who serves is obligated to be a reservist until the age of 40 and even 50 depending.
It gets real hard to distinguish if any given individuals in Israel are one of the limited populations exempted from serving in the IDF.
It seems some people refuse to serve, and sure such people might be rare, but they may still exist. And you might have someone who served in the IDF because they had to, but afterwards they have campaigned for an end to compulsory IDF service, and for Israel to recognise Palestine, etc. So I just think it’s wrong to harm civilians.
Its been very well proven Israel slaughtered many of its own citizens that day, not Hamas.
I think Al Jazeera is known to be critical of Israel right? And they have said that Hamas killed civilians in the October 2023 attack:
Anyway, I hope Palestinians can live in peace without Israel murdering Palestinians, and without Israelis taking Palestinian land, etc. I hope everyone in that area can live in peace and with equal rights. I don’t approve of any killings of civilians, whether it’s by Hamas or Israel. Some people say “Israel has killed far more civilians than Hamas has, since October 2023”, and yes that’s very likely true, but that doesn’t mean Hamas killed no civilians.
During the Holocaust you would have always made sure to chide anyone condemning it by pointing out that the Jewish resistance killed civilians too
No I don’t think I would have “always” done that.
In the post you’re replying to I am just specifically talking about the question of whether Hamas killed civilians or not, because the post I replied to claimed:
It’s completely consistent for me to say that I regard Israel’s genocide against Palestinians as wrong, and I also regard Hamas killing Israeli civilians as wrong. You might say Israel’s genocide is far more significantly wrong, and yes I would agree with that, given the scale of suffering caused. But I still think harming civilians is wrong, whether it’s Palestinian civilians, or Israeli civilians, or anyone else.
You’re doing functionally the same thing now, so not very convincing
And that post was in response to your “but what about October 7th!” deflection.
And in 1945 you would have been saying “it’s completely consistent for me to regard the Holocaust as wrong while also regarding the Warsaw ghetto uprising as wrong!”
“You might say the Holocaust is far more significantly wrong, and yes I would agree with that, given the scale of suffering caused. But I still think harming civilians is wrong, whether it’s Jewish civilians, or Nazi civilians, or anyone else”