I don’t even know why they bother pretending they have laws anymore. No one on the outside buys their bullshit and their loyal zombie hordes will bend over for any reason. It’s just a silly larp now.
We still have laws.
The laws are whatever trump wants them to be, when he wants them to be them.
Nazi working their way around
The answer has always been no. Whoever’s asking the court for this is who we should be worried about.
The answer is an emphatic no. This shouldn’t even be a question that needs asked.
Those Supreme Court Justices better not be ethnic. It could backfire big time.
Ethnic refers to a group of people who share a common cultural background, national origin, language, religion, or ancestry.
What do you mean by that word ?
arnt they already, and its not even likely they are instructed to listen the supreme court anyways. so its fair game if they get the same response.
If this shit happens then none of us (citizens included) have due process. ICE can just say they suspect you’re an illegal immigrant and lock you up forever. A lot of people seem to think that if you just show them the documents or prove that you’re a citizen this won’t happen. All they have to do is snatch you up. You typically see this line of thought from folks defending the current administration, like they believe if you rationally present your argument to authority they’ll always agree.
A lot of people seem to think that if you just show them the documents or prove that you’re a citizen this won’t happen.
Aren’t there already cases where holding valid documents has had no effect?
yeah, they already deported US citizens.
Mate, with respect, they don’t give a fuck about the constitution nor civilians nor citizenship and have proven so multiple times.
No shit.
My point was we already lost due process I get that you’re pissed and I don’t blame you, I am too
There are already enough cases of people showing their papers to ICE and discovering that ICE don’t care and aren’t held to account. But the people supporting it tend to be the “pay no attention until it happens to me” type.
Mom kinda thinks like this. I told her that no one should even be asked to prove their identity like that in public. She’d be more firmly on the right if my father isn’t tempering her.
My retort to a lot of these people is to ask if they can prove their citizenship right now, on the spot.
They can’t.
My parents are reversed, with my mom tempering my dad’s conservatism. But it’s the same basic idea. My mom and I will be discussing whatever Government Atrocity of the WeekTM is making the news cycle, and my dad will basically go “good, I hope it sucks for {victim}. If they don’t like it, they can leave.”
Gee, and you wonder why I don’t ever want to hang out…
My prediction is that SCOTUS will defy the Constitution.
No one should get treated like this but additionally. What’s to stop them from grabbing citizens and claiming they can’t verify their identity and holding them indefinitely?
Literally nothing.
Well at some point the camps will become overcrowded and they’ll want a solution that’s a bit more final.
That’s what all the industrial biowaste incinerators they’ve been buying are for.
Ooooh nice, so they’re effectively going to decide if they get to actually run concentration camps in an official capacity. Delightful.
Also, I don’t expect ICEatzgruppen to abide by the court order if it doesn’t go their way
Everything the Nazis did was legal under German law. They were meticulous about renewing the Enabling Act multiple times.
Emil Bove is the person that floated the idea that they simply not abide by the courts. Seems important for later.
Don’t worry the court will write out an instruction manual of loopholes and how to exploit the loopholes if they do rule against it
Any article that tells me how to feel… I have to question the legitimacy of that article
Whatever.
Any Americans who aren’t planning to take direct action at this point deserve whatever they get. Keep doing whatever you’re doing, at this point you’re just a cautionary tale for the rest of us, you absolute goddamn self-absorbed cowards.
Where are you from? Because for someone who lives somewhere else you complain exclusively about America. Like only that. All of your posts are angry about about what’s happening here. Maybe YOU Should be less of a coward and quit fighting wars from the safety of your arm chair. You melancholy malcontent.
Say more. Really. It’s illustrative. Nobody understands why Americans are allowing this to happen- seeing you get shitty and defensive (and all following the same tired script for that matter) helps everyone see the problem more clearly.
Don’t hold back, now. Really whine and tell us how you’re doing your best and shouldn’t be held responsible because after all, you’re one of the “good ones.”
That’s the same response you give anytime anyone challenges you. You aren’t smarter than the whole world. You’re a troll nothing more, and everyone sees it. A melancholy malcontent. If you’re going to troll at least be interesting. I can’t suffer a bore. That’s what you are, an angry bore. And you have my pity.
I’m done with you. Feel free to fuck of to you’re next strain of meaningless complaints about people complaining meaninglessly.
A true hero of the arm chair.
Trans people are next. They are trying to bring back psychiatric detention and calling Trans people mentally ill.
I’m not sure if transgender people or “antifa” is next. I think “antifa” because that allows them to classify any dissent about anything as supporting terrorism (NSPM-7 executive order). That would be more efficient at removing dissent, then when there’s no way to speak out, they’ll go after transgender, socialists, eventually gay/lesbian, anyone who’s not white.
aka the Nazi’s list of enemies
Yes but also anyone that doesn’t like Trump will be accused of derangement syndrome. We’re all on that list
You can already be found not criminally liable and be sentenced to indefinite psychiatric hold instead of prison.
Don’t the US already hold people indefinatly in Guantanamo Bay?
Not endorsing the interpretation at all, but the idea with the people in Gitmo is that they were “combatants” from a “war” and were therefore prisoners of war and subject to a different set of laws. The whole point of putting them in Gitmo was to avoid the legal complications of the domestic American justice system.
Conversely, immigrants are, by definition, inside of the United States and therefore protected by American laws. At least that has been the case historically. The court is going to determine if that is in fact the case.
And yeah, we all need to be worried about an interpretation that being in America somehow does not place a person under the justification of the American justice system and all the rights and responsibilities that entails.
No, they purposefully avoided actual prisoner of war status, as that has legal consequences.
And Republicans have already tried calling this a “war” on illegal immigration so that we can treat them as enemy combatants.
The difference that still matters (for now) is that the US justice system applies in the United States, regardless of citizenship, war, or anything else.
Gitmo detainees were strategically never brought into the US. NSGB is a naval base that’s leased from Cuba and is explicitly not territorial ground of the US, so detainees there are not protected by US laws, but the adversarial relationship with Cuba also keeps the host country’s laws from applying.
It’s pretty much the only place the US permanently controls where there are no civil protections at all for detainees.
And yeah, we all need to be worried about an interpretation that being in America somehow does not place a person under the justification of the American justice system and all the rights and responsibilities that entails.
The Constitution references “under the jurisdiction of the United States” so if they do rule that these people aren’t entitled to Constitutional rights, I’m curious how that doesn’t also mean that these people are immune from US laws too. You can’t claim these people aren’t protected by our laws while also claiming that they’re subject to those same laws.
You can’t claim these people aren’t protected by our laws while also claiming that they’re subject to those same laws.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
Historically “not under the jurisdiction of the United States” meant exactly what you think it meant. It meant that they were not subject to the laws of the US and was a status commonly called “diplomatic immunity”.
I agree with your conclusion that people cannot be both immune from rights and subject to law, but sadly the courts have disagreed.
You can’t claim these people aren’t protected by our laws while also claiming that they’re subject to those same laws.
They won’t claim it outloud but they already operate under this interpretation.
Thats only temporarily indefinitely
