I mean Lebensraum was just the Nazi version of Manifest Destiny.
The Nazi’s great crime, in the eyes of other Europeans, wasn’t that they did all that stuff, it’s they did it to other white people
America was also racist against white people (such as the Irish) once upon a time.
USA only supported prohibition when it was sold to voters as a measure against European immigrants from Ireland, Germany and Italy.
You want to do anything in the USA politically, just target immigrants.
the Irish weren’t white when they were being discriminated against. they assimilated into whiteness.
America has always been susceptible to fascism. FDR merely mitigated the worst of America at that time.
Everytime I see a cop riding a horse t think of guts from berserk slicing of their finger legs
Yep. And European colonialism was the blueprint for everything the US did, and so on and so forth, going all the way back to before recorded history.
This is nothing new. The history of our species would indicate that it’s in our nature to destroy ourselves.
It is silly that anyone thinks any of this is new, especially after living through the War on Terror when Bush and Obama disappeared people into black sites and torture facilities and set up the infrastructure for later presidents and tech companies to collect data on and profile everyone in the US without any limits or guardrails.
Thought this was hexbear for a moment 🤣
Hexbear sucks because they’re hypocrites, not because they’re wrong about the usa
How are Hexbear hypocrites?
Because they don’t support Pol Pot.
Pol Pot apologia is fucking crazy lmaooo
Knows nothing about Democratic Kampuchea award
Ok, I was making fun of you earlier, but now I’m genuinely interested.
Explain to me why you think Democratic Kampuchea was a Socialist State, and I presume, didn’t actually commit a genocide.
Because as far as I’ve ever been able to tell, pol pot apologia tends to be fairly flimsy, and be coming more from a place of defending China’s position after the Sino-Soviet split, rather than Cambodia itself.
How about the Vietnamese-backed state of the People’s Republic of Kampuchea? Was it Socialist? Why or why not?
Yea no, I’m not a Pol Pot defender.
The only way I can imagine you don’t defend Pol Pot, as a communist, in any regard is if you don’t actually hold to the notion of taking back communist history from “bourgeois historiography”™ and not automatically accepting prepared narratives. “Historical idealism” in the sense Losurdo talks about in “Hegel, Marx, and the Ontology of Social Being.”
The same way .ml is.
This is a non-answer, I don’t see how users on Lemmy.ml nor Hexbear.net are hypocrites. This is a vague jab at users on Marxist-friendly instances without the specificity needed to make an actual claim.
Lol. So you can’t actually explain
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Don’t ever compare anything to NS Germany.
Nothing compares to it. If you think that it is the case you don’t have a fucking clue about the horrors that happened there.
The Nazis were absolutely evil, but what’s interesting about them is that they are universally hated largely because they merely brought the horrors of colonialism home to Europe. They found inspiration from Jim Crow and Statesian settler-colonialism, from British, French, and Belgian colonialism in India, Africa, and more. They took inspiration for concentration camps from colonial holdings. The Nazis colonized Europe, which thought itself untouchable beforehand, which is why the horrors of the Nazis are universally known and understood while the comparable evils of colonialism and settler-colonialism are erased.
Hitler was a Hitler for Europe, Churchill was a Hitler for India, etc. Churchill gets a pass because his victims weren’t white.
Churchill was a Hitler for Kenia, Iraq, Ireland, Greece, Palestine, S-Africa…
The Nazis were absolutely evil, but what’s interesting about them is that they are universally hated largely because they merely brought the horrors of colonialism home to Europe.
You had ethnic cleansing of Turks in Greece and the other way around as well, the Holodomor in Ukraine and a lot more when you go back in history. It was not new, but just easier to do outside of Europe for Western European countries. For example Spain committed genocide against the Muslims in Iberia, before going to the Americas.
The 1930s soviet famine was not an attempt at colonialism, nor intentional. At best, it was made worse by mismanagement, but to compare it to colonialism or the Holocaust is a severe misrepresentation of it. Genocide and atrocities predated colonialism, this is true, but the point is that Hitler is so uniquely despised among the world at a universal level precisely due to the fact that he directed colonialism towards the rest of Europe. Western powers were no stranger to the kinds of brutal torture committed by the Nazis, their victims were just largely non-white.
Hitler did literally look at Border Patrol in the US and went neat. I can use these policies for my regime. Thats the comparison. These policies, when followed through to their natural conclusion, end up where Germany went. It’s quite literally the canary in coal mine situation. People are saying, this is a warning.
Hitler did literally look at Border Patrol in the US and went neat
Very specifically, Zyklon-B, the gas used to kill millions of Jews and others, was used y the US, on the Mexican border, as a delousing agent
Only online……
Delousing == industrial murder
shitrael would like a word.
Um.
You know they have camps over there now, people are kidnapped off the streets and can not be traced by legal means.
I agree about the no clue horrors part, but they’ve gone a long way towards it already.
I know. This literally is the tip of the ice berg. If you think Nazis were bad because of camps you utterly underestimate what happened there.
Edit: “Facism is on the rise there", I agree. “NS Germany was like the current US,” is ignorant.
Uh, the Nazis literally used US decisions to force sterilize low iq people as a defense at the Nuremberg trials.
WW2 was absolutely a case of the us being evil, and the Nazis being so much more evil that they had to be stopped, that doesn’t mean there were not similarities, and we should definitely not write out that chapter of history the way we have
They got the eugenics part from the US.
The Arian race was the German version of the US Nordic race.
Later on? Yea the US is absolutely not there. Early stages? I don’t see why not.
Ah okay, that’s why I was getting mixed messages. Thanks for stating that clearer!
Nothing compares to the Nazi, they are super special. Actually nothing can be ever compared to hitler or (do I dare to say it) the hologram! We europeans are just too special, the center of attention, where the history is written and lived. Actually culture outside of it doesn’t exist at all.
Even in their cruelty, White Europeans position themselves as superior
“We are not fascists, but if we were, we would be the best, most violent ones.”
Stupid liberals, opposing Nazis. What a bunch of maroons! /s
To the extent that liberals have historically combated fascism, they’ve always been the last ones to the Nazi Bashing party.
So what? They’re opposing Nazis now, so for the moment they could be allies. What is this scolding supposed to achieve, other than in-group virtue signaling?
They are not opposing Nazis, they just want to be the ones doing Nazi shit
They’re opposing Nazis now
Are they though? Half of them are still supporting Israel, most of the rest are supporting the fascist DNC
